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calling all beings

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y'all what

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welcome back to calling all beings party

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people i'm your host dj san marco on a

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sunday afternoon for our first ever

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timed round table ain't gonna be no

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danny sheen filibustering up in here you

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know what i'm saying andy it's not gonna

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happen

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all right no idea what i mean so we had

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no idols not that that ever happened so

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we have an esteemed panel and no they're

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not broccoli they are my friends and

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some of your luminaries unfortunately we

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lost uh dan z today the signal um

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a friend called out to dan

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and asked him that he actually needed

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dan's help in terms of transportation he

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or she and if it were i i would do the

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same thing i'd say peace out on the

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podcast today and i'd go help my friend

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so i got love and respect for dan z and

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we'll get him on another time but let us

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introduce our our uh our formerly

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mentioned esteemed panel coming to us

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from the united kingdom by way of

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scotland party people put your hands

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together

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for andy chilling with mcgrillen

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yeah yeah hi everyone you okay good good

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to be here good to be back dj well first

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time on this one but second time with

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you on air isn't it so i'll go it's

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yeah third uh but anyway

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uh he's the host of that ufo podcast uh

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they are now on kgra i just want to add

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a little bit of some of that for that uh

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because you guys are going to be able to

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hear him across the u.s next is my man

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he's an engineer he's a proud tennessean

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he's a brilliant mind in the ufo

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community the fifth pillar of emphasis

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on on tick tock actually are you on

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youtube as well yeah i have a youtube

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channel uh where i post some longer

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videos as well yeah yes i just got to

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have lunch with this man and go hang out

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at the air force pace party people put

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your hands together for at hey look over

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there dan

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warren

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thanks for having me dj hey

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i just want to say that you're better

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looking on screen than in person so i'm

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glad to have it in this conversation in

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this way

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all right i'll recover

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this man right here my fellow new york

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brother who has never seen a squat rack

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that he didn't like okay he is the host

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he's actually went to cleveland worked

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out with louie what's his name

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wait what in england no it's in uh in in

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ohio right oh oh no no no i trained with

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somebody who used to train there

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at west side barbell west night barbell

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place yeah together for new york's own

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engaging the phenomenon and he actually

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has a new podcast he's going to tell us

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about today party people put your hands

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for new york's oh

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from an italian it should be yandoli but

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it's all right no not

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all right so we're good now

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all right james ian doley um i dig it

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uh so anyway nathan uh we're here for a

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round table it's gonna be timed question

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and answers any member of the panel can

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and we're gonna do this uh we'll go

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alphabetically counterclockwise because

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we are counter culture not for long

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though not for long uh we're about to

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join the mainstream so get get ready for

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it uh so let's start off with uh andy

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please and nathan anything that you have

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to add oh wait a minute hold up

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not going anywhere

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i want everybody pleased to recognize my

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brilliant co-host because he is part of

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uh i i met him because of andy because

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andy on with um he's responsible for a

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all the technology you see on this show

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nathan has put together he's brilliant

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he's everything that i'm not he is at a

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waif soul party people put your hands

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he's brilliant all right go ahead and go

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ahead nathan yeah thank you guys for

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being on the show uh beyond thrilled to

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have you all with us today um and

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excited to hear kind of what you have to

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say so we're gonna do this roundtable

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style uh andy you're gonna kick us off

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your show and kind of what you're up to

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and and then uh and then dan will do the

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then andy will take the first topic and

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yeah awesome uh yeah so my name is andy

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mcgrillen i host that ufo podcast

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started it back in may 2020 and and here

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we are almost 18 months later it's been

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a it's going all right got to meet a lot

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of cool people like yourselves and and

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converse with a lot of cool people

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online and via email and from all around

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the world and uh it's kind of gone from

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from strength to strength for whatever

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reason uh people seem to like it so i

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mean some people hate it but i like

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hearing from them as well um nobody has

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it oh no they do i can show you the

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but you know it's fine it's just adding

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something else hopefully to this topic

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for some people and and we have

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discussion and news updates and it just

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has and still evolves a bit organically

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doesn't and uh obviously recently we've

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joined over on a kg r a as well um i

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have to say that slowly in my accent

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which no one knows what i'm saying so

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yeah uh it's been it's been a kind of

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wild 18 months but which all resulted in

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yesterday me attending and actually

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speaking at my first ufo conference in

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preston helping some folk out in the

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last minute but that was good that was

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fun uh look forward to a little bit more

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of that in the future in in some way

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shape or form so yeah good to be here

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um can you just tell what is imp what do

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thing i want to get from every panels

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here what do you hope to con accomplish

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what's your mission in the community

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just to prove there's no such thing as

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alien life um and just move on from

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and the way i set up the show wasn't

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like if ttsa is a success then brilliant

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as much as anything it helps me can i

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keep up to date and understand what's

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and definitely different aspects of the

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conversation allow allow me to to form

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people listening

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better so it's one of those things i've

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uh it's it's more than that now so yeah

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so awesome after cup enough time

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dan dan my brother what uh tell us about

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you uh yourself and what you uh hope to

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accomplish in the topic or or what you

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any calling card for being qualified to

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be a voice in the ufo community i've

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since childhood and that was a long time

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ago so i've i've learned a lot over the

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generation that's coming

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and there's a steep learning curve

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and we are the ufo community is the

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master of long format discussions so i

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louise's podcast with lou where he said

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to communicate complex topics in a

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simple manner so that's what i try to do

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simplify the topic into short snippets

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packed full of information as well as

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information that's available to them so

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that they can if they choose to go and

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investigate themselves because i think

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investigating yourself

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introduced this topic and keep them if

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we just tell them and try to force down

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their throat they're not going to stay

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they're not going to become invested in

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the topic like we need them to be

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so i'm trying to just be a bridge from

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no information to some information just

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to plant that seed and i found tik tok

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and all the tools are there

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to be able to start a channel and

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so that's why i chose that and it's also

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a void there's not a lot of people

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algorithm for tick tock is incredible

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i've got a video that's got almost 800

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000 views and so that's just

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that's a lot of exposure to for the

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topic and so so that's my goal is try to

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try to help people

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not have to jump in the deep end of the

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pool like we all are already treading

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water in but let them ease into the the

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small shallow parts of the the wave pool

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before they get into the deep end nice

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james ian doley my brother engaging the

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phenomenon and your new podcast which is

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uh you yourself and why that what you

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we're breaking up james

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james look johnny here you mate you may

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yeah we can here we can't hear james

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we'll bring him back we'll bring him

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back

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nathan i'll take it while he's coming

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back to us so yeah i'm nathan as dj

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mentioned uh i got uh connected with

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him uh through andy and andy show so

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huge shout out to that that show uh

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gracious enough for me to uh to make

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room for me to come and have a chat with

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uh

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with both you andy and with dj

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um i have not had an experience i'm an

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experiencer i grew up uh in uh kind of a

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religious uh religious background um

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and uh i went to uh school for religious

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studies and theology uh and this was a

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christian sort of theology and that kind

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of thing uh ended up not really going

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down that path uh and just got a regular

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career like everybody else um have

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always had an interest in sci-fi though

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and and uh and in this topic in

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particular

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and i don't think that we're alone i

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think that you know the universe has to

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be full of something

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but it's interesting for me so it's sort

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of taking these kind of concepts

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that were very much a part of

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a religious upbringing and a religious

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way of looking at the world and the

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universe but also then taking that to

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this topic

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uh and i think there's some

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certainly a lot of parallels there my

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hope is that we can have this

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conversation with more and more people

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uh not just people that uh

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you know are naturally sort of in in the

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topic because they've had an experience

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but people who are in all walks of life

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i want us to be able to have this

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conversation uh and talk to folks who

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have specialties in all kinds of

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different areas and say hey you know

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you're a specialist in this you know how

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would how would the revelation that

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we're not alone impact what you do you

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know how would it impact what you do

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within the within the world that we live

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in um i think we've got to start having

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that conversation outside of the outside

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of the tight circles that that we're in

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right now that's why i'm here

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james ian doley my man from new york or

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excuse me ian doley so i don't get

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slung with the people i think you were

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right the first time right

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yeah yeah

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all right i'm james i have both the

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youtube channels and podcast engaging

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the phenomenon which is uh mostly ufos

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and and ce5 and consciousness and then i

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have a new uh youtube and podcast called

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meta perspective

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um which if people are familiar with the

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term going meta

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it's definitely you know into subjects

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like consciousness but also awakening

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mindfulness and meditation

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uh philosophy and and those kind of

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broader uh subjects

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and um you know i got involved

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um you know i i i had actually been in

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the field for quite a while more so

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behind the scenes

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um

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and since like maybe 2009 2010

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i'm actually engaging with researchers

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and and

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you know building uh social media groups

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on like facebook and talking with

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experiencers and ufo researchers

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and uh i'm somebody who has had

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experiences and um so regarding that

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you know i feel in my own

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kind of mind that i know

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um the ufo reality to be a matter of

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fact

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and and with that uh comes like a sense

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of obligation

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that um you know if i know something for

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sure that

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i think is a as a genuine reality

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unquestionably um i feel somewhat

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obligated to to share about that reality

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um and you know and it was never focused

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so much on my experiences more than the

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actual work itself

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and um you know because of my

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experiences i found ce5

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um which is highly controversial and

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it's gone under many different names

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modern iteration of it

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and uh you know regardless of all the

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taboo i think dr stephen greer has done

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a great job of getting

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you know the word out

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and um you know despite all the hate

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that goes towards him

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uh you know which in some cases he kind

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of brought on himself because he burns

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every

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bridge he touches it's a specialty uh if

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you go back and you

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look at valet jacques vallee and

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heineken they're all saying the same

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thing it's all consciousness connected

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to the phenomenon

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uh you know

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and again this is there's there's so

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much

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antidotal um

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evidence i guess or observation to that

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it's an empirical that is actually

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ridiculous at this point

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um

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so

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you know

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i for me i saw ce5 as a way is like i

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can sit here and tell you all day about

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my experience or or or

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uh you know the witnesses that have come

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forward of you know

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high-level military and and whatsoever

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and that's great

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but uh you know for the people who are

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who who really want to know who are you

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know willing to go out of their way

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and and taken the initiative

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um i saw ce5 as something is where okay

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like you don't have to listen to me you

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can go out and you can do this yourself

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and find out for yourself

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that this is a genuine

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um you know reality so

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that's that's kind of where i'm coming

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from with engaging the phenomenon also

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you know on the podcast and kind of

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piecing together

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um my perspective on the phenomenon and

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and you know hoping people appreciate

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that

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um and you know also on on the engage of

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the phenom podcast i have people on

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where i'm questioning um those

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perspectives too so it's it's a it's a

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really cool way for me to have an excuse

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to speak to other awesome researchers

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and um and and have that conversation

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out there for everybody

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yeah it's awesome we're super excited to

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see what you're going to do with that

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new platform uh and

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you know what you're going to say today

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uh and so i guess on that front um

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we're going to kick it off here with

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andy so what i want everybody to give a

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quick preview to uh we're going to this

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is going to be tight we're in a tight

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ship you guys know dj he does not mess

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around so we're running a tight ship

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here we got now we got time constraints

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we want to get it all done so we've got

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a little timer we're going to run

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everyone's going to get a minute and a

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half uh to introduce their topic and

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then everybody gets a minute and a half

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to

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first uh segment i suppose and then dan

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we're going to go to you for your

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reaction and then james and myself and

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dj will also get a slot to react

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too so i'm going to add our little clock

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here to the show

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and

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now i know right

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no sound so don't worry

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no pressure

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[Laughter]

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pressure's just part of life people go

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ahead andy uh so i want to bring up the

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fact that we won't get disclosure from

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the government and that's disclosure

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with a capital d but that's okay

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we don't need it we have a soft drip

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disclosure but from here on in it's a

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bit of a figure out for yourselves the

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government isn't one a few or even

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hundreds of people in the know it's

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thousands many of which never meet or

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know what the others do

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there's probably been at least in the

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past if not still a small group who know

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what's going on when it comes to the

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phenomenon but capital d disclosure that

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that'll force consequences that'll force

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investigations that'll force

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prosecutions

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those people who in the early days of

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crash retrievals and you're going back

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to the late 40s are long gone

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their successors merely carried on their

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work rightly or wrongly

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personally i'm okay with that moving

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forward and i'm okay moving forward

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without the need for going back like

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that

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uh people are newer to world governments

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and in positions of power entertaining

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the subject you know your warners your

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rubios

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and other names that are coming out more

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and more you're seeing now that there's

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funding for the subject and allowing

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serious scientists and great minds to

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uncover the secrets of what might be

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going on the government will largely be

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finding out for the first time what's

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going on with that we get confirmation

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slow discovery may be the clear sighting

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of a craft official release worldwide

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but then what maybe years past before we

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see something else officially again for

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me that's okay it's progress as long as

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we keep moving forward we don't need

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capital d disclosure we just need to

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keep moving forward

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nice

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all right dan what you got for that

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so there is i believe it was the african

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genocides that occurred where they gave

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people uh

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they forgive the forgave them of their

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sins basically if they came forward and

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basically spilled their beans and

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confessed to what the crimes that they

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had done uh and committed were so that

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they kind of put all the puzzle pieces

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together that some that's an approach

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that i think would work with the us

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government where we can say hey this is

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your opportunity to come clean provide

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us the information that you've held on

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to and and kept from the public

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uh

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without any ramifications legally to

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your careers or anything along those

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lines

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i think that's a healthy approach to

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take to try to get the information out

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which it would be great to have because

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that's a lot of what

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i i know we want to

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not have capital d disclosure from the

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government but at some point i feel like

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a president is going to have to say it

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for it to be

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taken seriously across the board

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just as a formality if nothing else

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i also don't want to have this be

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something that says okay we're going to

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get the information out we're not going

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to compensate those that have been

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negatively impacted career-wise

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for

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the the negative impacts that talking

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about this topic has had on their

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flight status their their

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biological effects that have occurred

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00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,520
because of them exposing being exposed

556
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,760
to this phenomena so that that's my

557
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,600
overarching part of it we need to

558
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,240
forgive but not forget and help those

559
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,720
recover that need to be need help to be

560
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:49,029
all right james

561
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,120
uh i think i'm next oh okay go for it

562
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,600
yeah no alphabet you're right go

563
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,480
okay so andy uh i would say i think you

564
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,120
know we have to look at this topic as

565
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,240
uh things are not this or that

566
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,320
things can be this and that so it's like

567
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,679
a shade like the background of that

568
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,240
clock is gray so we needed the

569
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,200
government to uh

570
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,840
they are a de facto authority on okay

571
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,880
these are real these these objects that

572
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,799
we're seeing out over the pacific ocean

573
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,480
and seen out over the atlantic those are

574
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,880
authentic videos that enabled us to

575
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,840
start a whole new conversation and i

576
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:30,799
don't i recognize fully in what you said

577
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,240
they've deceived us uh since 1947 their

578
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,320
own statement after they said they were

579
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,320
flying saucers came out and said oh no

580
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,840
they're not they're weather balloons so

581
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,600
they contradicted themselves within a

582
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,360
span of i don't know what was it 24

583
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,679
hours yeah when when general ramy saw

584
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
the uh press release uh and so we know

585
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,280
that they've deceived us but we still

586
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,600
have to rely on the fact that if they

587
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,600
release another video and say this is

588
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:58,400
real every single one of us is gonna say

589
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,600
oh okay we've got video we've got audio

590
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,320
we've got narratives and therefore

591
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,080
this is a real event and now we're gonna

592
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,440
dive into it and attack it like a hyena

593
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:12,320
on a downed water buffalo um as we

594
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,120
should

595
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,200
but unfortunately they do have a de

596
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,440
facto authority even though they have

597
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,720
deceived us um willingly and

598
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:23,520
for a long period of time

599
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,559
nice

600
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,360
all right james

601
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,039
yeah um so i i basically agree with uh

602
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,520
what andy is saying um

603
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,600
you know you know first of all the

604
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,520
government is you know if we're going to

605
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,200
talk about the us government or whatever

606
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,600
world power is not a monolith

607
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,640
uh it seems fractured

608
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:46,799
um and we we can see that politically

609
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,919
now imagine with this topic um spanning

610
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,039
decades

611
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,799
you know how fractured or broken that

612
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,440
system is from the inside

613
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,480
and this topic only exploits that and

614
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,799
and really demonstrates that but i i

615
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:01,760
think

616
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,640
um

617
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:04,799
to some extent you know we're we're not

618
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,279
really going to get disclosure from uh

619
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:09,200
these world powers

620
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,159
um

621
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,360
or even say just you know in the uh the

622
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,799
us government right i don't think

623
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,200
they're gonna come out and say hey um

624
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,559
you know they're not going to tell us

625
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
what we want to hear

626
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,000
i'm not even completely sure that they

627
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,919
know even if they had

628
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,760
uh recovered crafts

629
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,080
with uh you know entities you know who's

630
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,840
to say they know where those are from

631
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,880
technically um

632
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,600
but you know you have people

633
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,679
um you know demonstrating that it's not

634
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:40,080
a monolith in a sense you have people

635
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,880
like

636
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,039
um louis lozando and david fravor and

637
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,039
alex dietrich who

638
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,919
you know are in a sense they're not

639
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,760
really part of the government but

640
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,760
they're part of a small group that's

641
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,080
already like making pennants and coming

642
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,799
clean so to speak

643
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:58,320
yeah

644
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,200
um

645
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,600
so i i i think that uh to a certain

646
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:04,000
degree you're right andy i think that um

647
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,520
one of the challenges here though too is

648
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,240
that uh we're now at an age where state

649
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,440
power is less effective on

650
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,200
sort of narrative control than it used

651
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,440
to be and so i think that's one of the

652
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,279
big challenges that the united states is

653
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,279
going to have in walking this subject

654
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,840
out is that we're living in a day

655
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
where information distribution and uh

656
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,960
quote unquote the truth

657
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,240
is much less hard it's much harder to

658
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,279
control and so even if the u.s were to i

659
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,679
think try to wrangle this subject and

660
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,840
you know say this is what we know um

661
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:40,159
we're already in a time where nobody

662
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,200
believes

663
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,200
you know we're so factual nobody really

664
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,440
believes what the united states is

665
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,440
is telling the public there's a lot of

666
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,279
uh you know sort of

667
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,600
distrust there and so earning that trust

668
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,679
back is going to be very very difficult

669
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,520
and imagine them trying to roll this

670
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:57,039
subject out

671
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,640
and then looking at the history of it i

672
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,240
mean talk about an erosion of trust

673
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,080
right there um the credibility of the

674
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,520
government uh is completely eroded so

675
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,760
ins to some degree i think you know your

676
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,200
point

677
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,679
uh is incredibly pertinent because the

678
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,000
truth in a way has to come from the

679
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,320
ground up rather than from the top down

680
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:17,919
and so but but what does that look like

681
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,799
and and if we all don't have access to

682
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,320
some of the core facts if we're not

683
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,000
working off of some similar facts how do

684
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,080
we really arrive at a at a valid

685
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,870
uh all right so first round is done uh

686
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,240
that means

687
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,669
see um backstage should we

688
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,120
should we bring this person on all right

689
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,200
here we go let me drop this off and then

690
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:44,400
we'll

691
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,269
what's up guys

692
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,269
thank you hello hello thank you for

693
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:03,029
come on luis

694
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,080
yo

695
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,840
five over the screen okay all right

696
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,880
otherwise

697
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,909
excellent what's going on gentlemen

698
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,919
yo yo good to have you with us oh good

699
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,760
oh good pleasure to meet you nathan yeah

700
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,960
likewise man yeah all right so am i here

701
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,840
to throw in the uh the bomb yes i just

702
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,080
wanna i just wanna put out everybody

703
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,159
that you're here uh because we're so

704
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
excited that you can make it since i

705
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,760
screwed up the time none of us knew you

706
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,039
were coming here so this is a total

707
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,880
surprise to everyone even nathan did not

708
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,039
know yeah i had no idea oh okay yeah

709
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,120
cool yeah uh well you kept it a good

710
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,679
secret yeah i just saw i was like

711
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,120
let me just check my messages and i was

712
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,279
like okay cool he needs me right now

713
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,559
let's do this

714
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:48,799
two representatives from kgra in the

715
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:54,470
fight

716
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,799
finish him

717
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,799
exactly

718
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,159
if we punch over i'm just going to hit

719
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:05,039
dad or james that's true

720
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,430
all right go for it louise

721
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,679
um okay so i guess my

722
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,279
i i'm supposed to throw are they aware

723
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,679
of the grenade like the grenade topic

724
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,440
no they don't know and they have no idea

725
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
what you're gonna do i'm hoping that it

726
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,120
will make everybody upset and start

727
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,039
throwing snowballs at one another now

728
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,880
does louise get the timer too or he gets

729
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,399
just to like you know oh he gets the

730
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:31,120
timer too all right all right

731
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,080
um

732
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,559
so i was just gonna throw in the topic

733
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,360
of ufo tours

734
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,840
what is everybody's thoughts on them has

735
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,840
anybody ever done a ufo tour

736
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,840
uh and uh yeah that's it dude i don't

737
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,679
need that much time that was like i was

738
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,279
gonna throw in there i was told to throw

739
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,760
a topic that might be controversial yes

740
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,840
and that's the one that came to mind

741
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,600
only because we just had on melinda

742
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,240
lensley and so she she had a she has a

743
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,399
ufo tour we need to get to that part of

744
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,520
the conversation with her we actually

745
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,600
have to have her back for i think

746
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,840
maybe 14 more parts but

747
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,880
uh but she's uh she's

748
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,880
i mean she's fascinating and i love

749
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:13,600
talking to her um but yeah she's got a

750
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,880
ufo tour in sedona california and and uh

751
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,559
even when you yelp it people are pretty

752
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,880
satisfied with it

753
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,200
oh wow yeah okay

754
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,679
andy you're up this is actually red meat

755
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,520
for andy right now we don't even need to

756
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,039
put it on the grill

757
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,640
i'll restart his timer i already took

758
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,480
five minutes all right all right that's

759
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,720
not good enough yeah there we go boom

760
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,919
yeah cheers luis um yeah so the ufo tour

761
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,799
stuff

762
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,120
i mean i know james this kind of goes

763
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,200
back to some of the the steven grier and

764
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,039
i know people like melinda aren't

765
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,480
necessarily charging two or three

766
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,279
thousand dollars per per tour as such

767
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,520
but the idea behind these tours if it's

768
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,120
the same kind of stuff luis is talking

769
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
about is that people

770
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,799
are paying to

771
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,559
go around and hear some historical you

772
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,159
know stories of what may or may not have

773
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,919
happened in different areas and get a

774
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,320
sense of you know a particular monument

775
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,320
or you know bet in barney hills area

776
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,000
stuff like that but

777
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,600
there's probably some kind of

778
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,960
expectation they're going to see

779
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,480
something

780
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,799
uh on these tours and i'm always worried

781
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,520
if that comes into it um and again that

782
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,880
that goes to if you're looking at the

783
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,360
extreme of a stephen grier's

784
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,919
dollars guarantees you an 80 experience

785
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,520
when it's not as the picture is the back

786
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,679
of someone's chair but you know as

787
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,159
opposed to afflict melinda's tours and

788
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,440
other tours someone just got in touch

789
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,960
with me actually who's looking to run

790
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,880
one in glasgow scotland

791
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,240
and that's that's great and there'll be

792
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,919
some history and culture within that as

793
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,960
well but

794
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,720
not the expectation they're going to see

795
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,399
something and i would hate to think on

796
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,240
these things that it's deliberately set

797
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,120
up you know pilots will fly out and drop

798
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,039
flares or someone's got their little

799
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,399
brother kicking about with a drone

800
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,440
behind the bush um i i i hate that would

801
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,159
be disappointing but um i've got no

802
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,519
issue with ufo tours i think they're

803
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,200
cool and as long as it gets the history

804
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,720
out there and i think it's something

805
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,080
that people might go along to with a

806
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:03,600
friend who don't have an interest in the

807
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,029
nice dude i love it dan

808
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:12,640
all right i i've actually been on a

809
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,240
haunted asheville tour before and i

810
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,159
thought it was going to be about ghosts

811
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,679
and things like that but it was about

812
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,080
history so to me that was the best part

813
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,799
of it because that's a side of the story

814
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,320
of a town's history that you're not

815
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,240
going to know about unless you go on

816
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,240
something that's very specific like that

817
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,200
so if they if if a ufo tour

818
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,960
gives you some background information of

819
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,159
a high strangeness area um i i mean of

820
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,080
course if we went to skinwalker ranch

821
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,679
they'd be all

822
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,519
lots of people would go to that uh the

823
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,039
marfa lights are something that come to

824
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,960
mind like that would be a really cool

825
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:49,840
tour to go to and maybe see something if

826
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,480
it could happen but as long as they're

827
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,559
putting out information that is

828
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,279
historically accurate and like like

829
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,360
we're saying don't promise people that

830
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,039
you're going to see something no one

831
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,039
told me i was going to see a ghost they

832
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,559
told me i was going to learn about it so

833
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,559
that that's that's the

834
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,799
mindset i had going into it so my

835
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,880
expectations were met when i went on

836
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,480
these things and it is a great

837
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,159
opportunity to talk to other people that

838
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,159
have similar interests

839
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,159
get to meet them get to expose your

840
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
friends to it i'll take my kids to a

841
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,240
ghost tour spook them out a little bit

842
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,000
that's fun it's always fun when your

843
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,679
kids grab your leg real hard when

844
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,880
they're nervous

845
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,679
um

846
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,840
but it's just an enjoyable time to spend

847
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,919
with people that you hang out with so i

848
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:34,559
i'm all for it unless it's

849
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,480
flares from planes and then it's i'm out

850
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:40,559
awesome dj

851
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:43,679
yeah i i i'm in violent agreement with

852
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,360
the previous two speakers um i i think

853
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,120
that they're okay as long as you don't

854
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,840
uh over promise and under under deliver

855
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,000
i think it should be the inverse of that

856
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,080
um and if it does bring people to the

857
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,919
topic i think it's okay

858
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,679
um it's

859
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,600
it's a little bit kooky because you

860
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:03,600
would think if you're gonna bring

861
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,880
somebody on a ufo tour they're kind of

862
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,640
going to think that hey we might see

863
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,600
something uh but in that case i'm going

864
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:12,399
to

865
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,320
yeah sure i can i can do the entire rest

866
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:20,960
of the show on this topic

867
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,730
um

868
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:24,000
[Laughter]

869
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,279
well look you have to look at it like

870
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:28,240
this um you know first of all

871
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,240
i'm personally i'm not a fan of

872
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,000
um charging any kind of money for

873
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:38,960
disclosing and kind of you know showing

874
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,559
people the a fundamental reality

875
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,440
i'm kind of uh biased on that and i

876
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,200
understand that you know people's

877
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,480
time and efforts should be compensated

878
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,200
so that's why i think in say dr stephen

879
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,559
greer's case

880
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,640
you know where the the prices are

881
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,080
outrageous

882
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:02,000
it hurts the the movement and um you

883
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,039
know

884
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,640
guess it's not as big a deal it's you

885
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,000
know you're compensating people's time

886
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,119
and effort

887
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,560
but again the the price say that dr

888
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:14,320
stephen greer charges

889
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,280
um

890
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,119
is absolutely ridiculous it's just you

891
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,280
know over the top and and people have to

892
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,679
understand where this is coming from

893
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,280
so when uh first of all dr stephen greer

894
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:27,599
is not the first person to get people

895
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,879
together form groups and do contact but

896
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,320
the original

897
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,200
purpose of those contact

898
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:37,119
you know they were not ufo tours they

899
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,079
were

900
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,159
ce5 initiative

901
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,040
uh citizens ambassador contact training

902
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,119
so the whole purpose of those events was

903
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:47,440
to get people together teach them how to

904
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,359
do ce5 field work to mobilize them

905
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,040
so that they can go out and form their

906
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,879
own groups and do this work in their

907
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:56,960
areas and then become working group

908
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,560
leaders or organizers for their area

909
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,560
but um there were issues with that

910
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,440
because um dr stephen greer had a very

911
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,800
tight leash

912
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,280
on those groups and you can't use c

913
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:11,520
seti's name and likeliness and and all

914
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,320
that

915
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,480
um but

916
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:17,280
it started out actually for much cheaper

917
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,400
prices

918
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,520
with steven grier and it was

919
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,839
better for mobilizing contact groups now

920
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,760
where the prices are so

921
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,920
uh extraordinary it's not

922
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:29,200
it's not good

923
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,800
for um you know helping to mobilize

924
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,280
uh groups to go out and make contact so

925
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,359
they can have their own disclosures

926
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,599
and even in their own right become

927
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,320
citizens uh diplomats to ufo

928
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,480
intelligence

929
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,520
nice

930
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,079
i mean i think uh that um oh yeah i'm

931
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,200
sorry louise please jump in oh uh

932
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,440
everyone was so eloquent um

933
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,839
yeah i

934
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,240
i like the idea of calling it maybe a

935
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,200
sky watch tour as opposed to a ufo tour

936
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,920
like yeah you verbiage is everything i

937
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,839
mean who knows maybe you do see a ufo or

938
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,160
you see a satellite or uh it would be

939
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:10,880
cool also if those tours were equipped

940
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,160
with say someone looking at uh skype

941
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,480
tracking data or

942
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,680
um

943
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,520
you know whatever other sorts of

944
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,320
instruments um like infrared or night

945
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,480
vision um and things like that that

946
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,240
would be cool so people could switch

947
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,760
between different spectrums of light

948
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,000
they can they can look at the at the

949
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,000
radar and say oh you know seek a

950
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,839
satellite is still really exciting like

951
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,480
when you see the the the you know the

952
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,960
elon musk uh what what is that uh

953
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,280
skyline skylink i was gonna say link of

954
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,440
satellites uh uh

955
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,680
it's awesome like it's cool to see and

956
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,240
and to have stars and galaxies pointed

957
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,640
out to you in the history given of what

958
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,720
the known universe could possibly hold

959
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,040
and beyond it's you know giving people a

960
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,960
different idea of how to think as

961
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,200
opposed to

962
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,640
we're gonna we're gonna go out there

963
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,640
we're gonna see ufos we're gonna see

964
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,400
aliens we're gonna see

965
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,359
uh you know other uh non-human entities

966
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,800
and um

967
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,800
and i think it's there's a big you know

968
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,400
in charging people i can understand

969
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,480
charging people for a tour like that you

970
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,079
know like the first example that i gave

971
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,119
you uh you know the second example

972
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,880
i would

973
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,200
you know obviously i'd be skeptical uh

974
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,000
but i'd go check it out why not you know

975
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,839
could be fun uh worst case scenario

976
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,000
you're out underneath the stars uh and

977
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,800
getting a good night of fresh air um

978
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,480
best case scenario maybe you do see a

979
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,320
uap

980
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,760
so yeah

981
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:38,560
yeah

982
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,560
so a ufo tour falls into a long

983
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,119
tradition of and i think dan you know

984
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,119
your your analogy to the ghost stores is

985
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,359
a good one but it falls into a very long

986
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,839
tradition of uh sort of human beings

987
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,640
trying to have a connection with the the

988
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,560
mythology you know where if you look

989
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,400
back and just take christian history as

990
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,599
a good example you know there are all

991
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,640
kinds of

992
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,680
uh

993
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,359
stories where people go to certain you

994
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,079
know tiny little church sites or shrine

995
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,320
sites whatever to try to see you know a

996
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,560
piece of a saint you know the the shirt

997
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,240
that they wore whatever so this has a

998
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,560
long history and i think human culture

999
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,359
to try to connect with in a community

1000
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,760
way with other people connect with this

1001
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,320
thing that they have a strong belief in

1002
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,040
where i have a huge concern is in the

1003
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,400
predatory nature of a tour so if we are

1004
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,400
predating people you know we're trying

1005
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,320
to get them to to join this tour with

1006
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,240
the promise of as you guys have said

1007
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,480
seeing some sort of grand thing

1008
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,720
and then fleecing them uh for a whole

1009
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,880
bunch of money i think that is you know

1010
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,640
totally disingenuous and in the

1011
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,280
community it's our responsibility to

1012
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,119
call that out you know if we're going to

1013
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,200
have a community that is healthy you

1014
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,960
know where we uh

1015
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,880
provide a safe space for people to have

1016
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,680
a conversation we we have to

1017
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,440
call it when we see it and say this is

1018
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,640
not okay

1019
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,880
we can't allow those folks to continue

1020
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,720
doing it and i guess on that point and i

1021
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,920
know we can't keep talking about it but

1022
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,839
i am curious about we know there are

1023
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,760
people doing this right now so what is

1024
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,760
our responsibility to kind of call those

1025
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,240
folks out on it

1026
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,320
that is uh that's a great way to uh

1027
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,000
finish it off and i think we do have

1028
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,400
that responsibility but uh we also have

1029
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,920
a responsibility to press on with our

1030
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,680
next panelist topic

1031
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,079
that's right uh so i think that's dan

1032
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,119
right uh that is my man dan yes stan

1033
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,760
take it away all right i'll i'll

1034
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,680
tack on to that last one real quick and

1035
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,599
say first time people use night vision

1036
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,760
goggles it really grounds you to how

1037
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,920
immense the universe that you live in is

1038
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,000
so that's another big plus to those

1039
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,400
things nice but instead of looking out

1040
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,160
sometimes we might need to look behind

1041
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,119
us

1042
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,280
my question pertains to history

1043
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,040
it appears that the phenomenon has been

1044
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,720
interacting with humanity for a long

1045
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,880
time we currently focus on the us

1046
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,440
government releasing videos as what as

1047
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,960
the gold standard for what we would want

1048
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,880
to see to get the general public and

1049
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,720
scientific community to accept the

1050
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,640
phenomena as fact

1051
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,200
it's uh but what could be undeniable

1052
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,960
physical proof that has already been

1053
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:08,079
discovered

1054
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,040
uh a la the inclusion of the discover

1055
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,800
material portion of h.r 4350

1056
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,800
what do you think has been discovered

1057
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,319
and stored away from the public

1058
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,319
knowledge either intentionally or

1059
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,960
unintentionally or it could have

1060
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,079
or it could have simply been

1061
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,800
misidentified as something prosaic that

1062
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,720
is in someone's vault somewhere that

1063
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,720
could shift public opinion on the

1064
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,880
phenomena and where do you think this

1065
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,280
evidence could be located that's outside

1066
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,890
oh oh man andy stole my topic

1067
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,119
[Music]

1068
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,640
well andy gets first to respond yeah

1069
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,550
yeah so uh good good shout dan uh

1070
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:54,560
what has been discovered and stored away

1071
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,280
i mean it seems pretty cut and dry that

1072
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,680
even luella zondo himself has said that

1073
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,720
there is

1074
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,000
pcs or potentially an intact craft them

1075
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,640
stored away craft from where and of

1076
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,839
whose we don't necessarily know um

1077
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,440
i think there's likelihood we've got

1078
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,599
crafts that have been dug up as part of

1079
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,359
archaeological digs

1080
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,280
and that i suppose it opens up you know

1081
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,960
when you see i used to love on twitter

1082
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,319
you and i don't know how true they are

1083
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,319
but a picture of some device and it's

1084
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,560
like this is dated back almost 50 000 or

1085
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,280
100 000 years and the technology is so

1086
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,280
advanced and the idea that there may

1087
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,680
have been advanced civilizations long

1088
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,839
before us that whatever happened to them

1089
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,760
they went away and maybe those people

1090
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,839
got to a point they they left the planet

1091
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,280
and they you know they've done what

1092
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,800
they've done maybe they went underground

1093
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,119
for whatever reason and who knows

1094
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,720
antarctica is one as well you know

1095
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,119
what's under the ice what's in the ice

1096
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,400
what could be stuck there that's

1097
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:50,079
something i've always wanted to try and

1098
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,599
talk about on the show as well it's a

1099
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,359
little bit more out there but i think

1100
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,599
it's interesting um i think some of this

1101
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,200
stuff is stored away obviously for

1102
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,040
defense reasons for technological

1103
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,440
superiority over other countries

1104
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,200
but a large part in going back to what i

1105
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,720
mentioned earlier about government not

1106
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,240
necessarily knowing

1107
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,480
a whole lot that we think they do

1108
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,240
as a case of they don't know what it is

1109
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,760
so it's stored away to try and work out

1110
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,280
what it is because that would be a scary

1111
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,720
thing for any government to have to

1112
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,800
admit to turn around as even the biggest

1113
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,160
government in the world like the united

1114
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,400
states and say we have this we don't

1115
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,319
really know what it does like having an

1116
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:24,000
iphone and you can work out it can make

1117
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,280
phone calls but you know nothing else

1118
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:27,680
about it where is it lockheed martin

1119
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,309
nice dj

1120
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,800
oh okay i thought uh okay yeah it was

1121
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,280
dan's topic so i'm up yeah wait can you

1122
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,200
reset the

1123
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,960
all right i'm up all right so basically

1124
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,119
you know for my from my point you don't

1125
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,720
really need the premise uh andy's

1126
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,000
premise is basically plausible

1127
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,839
deniability you really don't need

1128
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,760
plausible deniability for something that

1129
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,119
people were not looking for back then um

1130
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:57,520
and if there were let's say plausible

1131
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,400
and news was the reason up in front of

1132
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,920
congress they could just couch their

1133
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,480
questions in committee and say okay is

1134
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,119
there do do we now have or were we ever

1135
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,880
in the possession of and there goes the

1136
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,880
plausible deniability second of all the

1137
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,520
way the government works is based on

1138
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,839
custodial responsibility so we have some

1139
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,760
of lockheed martin's equipment they have

1140
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,680
some of our equipment it still remains

1141
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,599
our equipment even though they've hand

1142
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
receded that equipment and they have

1143
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,359
custodial responsibility the safest

1144
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,160
place on the planet is area 51 because

1145
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,480
they have seven different layers of

1146
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,440
community of security in the air and if

1147
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,520
i wanted bigelow aerospace or lockheed

1148
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,160
martin and and my scientists to work

1149
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,880
there and they do work there to analyze

1150
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,880
that material i bring the scientists to

1151
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,800
the material i don't bring the material

1152
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,160
to a much less uh insecure facility for

1153
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,920
them to look at it that's how that works

1154
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,319
we already have contractors working at

1155
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,240
those places and we could bring them

1156
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,920
give them clearance and bring them in

1157
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,680
but i would you don't put that stuff on

1158
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,000
a truck and put out in the middle of las

1159
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,680
vegas where anyone could drive up to the

1160
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,760
fence line you keep it behind multiple

1161
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:06,160
layers of security

1162
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,200
james

1163
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,000
yeah um you know we're doing uh crash

1164
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,200
retrieval week october 17th october 24th

1165
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,960
that's going to be talking about

1166
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,880
crash retrievals and uh you know

1167
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,480
possible recovered

1168
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,800
ufo technology which

1169
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,560
i mean i i think is a topic that should

1170
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,079
be front and center

1171
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,160
um

1172
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,839
you have people like

1173
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,640
again lou elizondo has has made several

1174
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,560
references to this

1175
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,119
um i don't think he's he's putting it

1176
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,640
out there on a whim

1177
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,160
speculatively

1178
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,680
just kind of to entertain the idea

1179
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,920
it seems to me to imply

1180
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
um

1181
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,400
that he he may have

1182
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,160
you know awareness and official

1183
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,960
capacities that he was part of

1184
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:53,200
of such materials

1185
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,200
and then you have people like dr davis

1186
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,319
who's made some astounding statements

1187
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,760
uh you know we know

1188
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,359
the alleged

1189
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,520
wilson davis memo with a meeting they

1190
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,040
had with um

1191
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,880
vice admiral tom wilson

1192
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,400
talking about some of this we don't know

1193
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,240
obviously if

1194
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,240
the information that was discussed is

1195
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:16,000
accurate um

1196
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,040
but

1197
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,760
you know dr davis has a much deeper

1198
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,040
involvement than i think most people

1199
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,520
realize before he was even in mids he

1200
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,079
was working in classified programs for

1201
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:27,520
the air force

1202
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,480
um

1203
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,200
and he you know he he gave

1204
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,119
briefings to people on defense

1205
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,480
committees regarding crash retrievals uh

1206
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,680
you know for the senate intelligence

1207
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:38,640
committee

1208
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,150
let me just say as to where the

1209
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,200
materials are i think there's a genuine

1210
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,599
uh part that is tied to underground

1211
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,160
facilities you know whether it be uh

1212
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,240
utah proving grounds whether it be area

1213
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,520
51

1214
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,640
uh

1215
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,760
yeah dugway proving grounds you know and

1216
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:00,640
or

1217
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,920
mccaslin talking to tom de long about

1218
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,520
you know recovering

1219
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,000
alien life forms

1220
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,160
we can and somebody feel free to yield

1221
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,160
your time back to james or no that's

1222
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,160
that's uh i i i just wanted to you're

1223
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,680
more than welcome i mean that's why you

1224
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,280
need those rules i just wanted to

1225
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,200
clarify i'm i'm hoping that somebody can

1226
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,160
come up with evidence outside of the us

1227
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,400
government that is accessible because

1228
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,560
we're never going to get into area 51 to

1229
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,160
be able to move around

1230
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,560
outside of the us that i'm that's why if

1231
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,560
there's any evidence that's why that

1232
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,720
place is so amazing is because nobody

1233
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,440
today nobody not one person could we get

1234
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,520
on our shows that could tell you what's

1235
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,440
inside what what flight programs they're

1236
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,880
running there because nobody knows

1237
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,800
that's why you keep stuff there anyway

1238
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:48,480
luis uh

1239
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,000
career in baseball before getting any

1240
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,520
ufos go ahead please okay uh i'll use my

1241
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,280
time to andy what do you got

1242
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,599
no no louise i just want two seconds

1243
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,440
because the whole thing about area 51

1244
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,040
right now everyone does know about area

1245
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,920
51. so yeah yeah you can't you're

1246
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,359
shaking your head but that's a factual

1247
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,280
statement everyone knows about area 51.

1248
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,040
what do we know what programs are

1249
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,880
running there you know it's a place

1250
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,960
that's that was their statement yeah so

1251
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,200
you can't you disagreed so yeah so yeah

1252
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,040
everyone knows about area 51 so if

1253
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,720
you're russia or china and you can get

1254
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,640
spies involved then you could

1255
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,240
potentially have you're shaking your

1256
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,160
head but you don't know so i'm saying

1257
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,160
the fact is that why you wouldn't put it

1258
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,160
there like you said you definitely would

1259
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,520
is that you don't know the people

1260
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,760
working in there are 100 necessarily

1261
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,000
trustworthy just for the fact that one

1262
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
of them bob lazar if he did work there

1263
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,480
is out talking about it now already so

1264
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,240
if he could work there and get his story

1265
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,520
out then why wouldn't there potentially

1266
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,119
be russian chinese or some other

1267
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,760
government spies in there with the tech

1268
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,359
hence you move it to a third party

1269
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,559
subcontractor

1270
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,599
which is a lot less well-known

1271
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,920
and can also be a lot i'm sure

1272
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,760
uh more

1273
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,520
bendy with the rules as opposed to what

1274
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,720
they do with people who who do

1275
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,319
infiltrate these places i don't want to

1276
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,720
go fill james bond here but that's just

1277
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,680
an idea

1278
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,839
anyone want to yield their time to me

1279
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,119
sure go for it

1280
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:12,960
yeah you can have my time that's fine

1281
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,839
okay so andy the thing is is if you if

1282
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,920
you understand what is what involves a

1283
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,400
tssci background and how they go through

1284
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,240
that it's uh it's extremely difficult if

1285
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,880
the person wasn't at least born here um

1286
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,880
so you understand how far they go back

1287
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,880
in your background and trace back

1288
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,200
everybody that you ever knew from when

1289
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,040
the time you could walk until now i mean

1290
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,520
i've been through that so i know people

1291
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,800
that they talked to when they did a

1292
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,119
tssci on me

1293
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,319
twice

1294
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,280
so so there's that second of all

1295
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,200
again you don't need to bring the

1296
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,839
material to a facility once you get if

1297
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,920
they were to sign over

1298
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,760
ownership of that material to lockheed

1299
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,599
martin that now the ceo of lockheed

1300
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,599
martin is in possession of that material

1301
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,760
and that material is in a facility that

1302
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,240
is a hundred times less by any measure

1303
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,720
than area 51. there's nobody that you

1304
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,720
could bring on your show or anybody here

1305
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,480
could bring on a show that can tell you

1306
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:10,559
what flight programs are running right

1307
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,040
now or fy19 or fy20 at area 51. this is

1308
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,359
why you put something there you bring

1309
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,079
the scientists that are already lockheed

1310
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,000
martin's already working there

1311
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,760
so there's no need to bring the material

1312
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,520
to lockheed martin when you can bring

1313
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:27,359
lockheed martin to the material or any

1314
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,720
contractor for that matter that's all i

1315
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,079
have to say i mean yeah and i'll take

1316
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,480
the last few seconds just that and i i i

1317
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,480
generally i know dj you know who had to

1318
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,400
debate on this too but my only thing i

1319
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,400
would add to that is if there's material

1320
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,200
that lands some far place like place far

1321
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:45,119
away from area 51

1322
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,240
i don't think they're going to truck it

1323
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,319
across you know the country to area 51

1324
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,920
though there are probably multiple

1325
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,520
places to store this stuff that would be

1326
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,920
my suspicion there are actually there

1327
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,920
are but they're not in there they're dug

1328
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,760
away somewhere there

1329
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,000
uh and and by the way this happened in

1330
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:02,000
the 40s and 50s this is not stuff that's

1331
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,520
moving around today

1332
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,559
yeah on on mayflower trucking company

1333
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,640
well can i just add real quick that i

1334
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,720
think this

1335
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,160
there's two things with this idea of

1336
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,920
crash retrievals i think just to answer

1337
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,839
dan's question really quick yes i think

1338
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,680
we have materials i don't think we have

1339
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,119
a whole craft

1340
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,359
um only because

1341
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,440
there are archaeological digs happening

1342
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,800
all over the world right now one of them

1343
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,559
hasn't stumbled across one of these

1344
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,359
things or a piece of these things or

1345
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,520
something that that would really really

1346
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,160
stick out from anything else ever on an

1347
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,880
archaeological dig it's a sexy thought

1348
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,640
that's we just found one of these things

1349
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,400
buried in the ice or

1350
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,640
or in the grand canyon or something but

1351
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,680
i just ah man it's hard for me to

1352
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,760
believe it obviously without seeing it

1353
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:52,240
but it's it would be difficult to cover

1354
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,839
up i think i don't

1355
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:56,240
no matter what the base i could be wrong

1356
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,119
um

1357
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,520
but but yeah that's i mean that's why i

1358
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,800
just want to say that real quick on the

1359
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,400
materials yeah well it could be at the

1360
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,400
bottom of the baltic sea none of us know

1361
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,599
none of us knows well you know

1362
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,680
yeah i mean there's the story that you

1363
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,680
know they they found some kind of craft

1364
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,839
in south america and the us just went

1365
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,000
over there and took it basically yeah

1366
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,079
and and who who are they to come out and

1367
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,920
say oh the u.s came and retrieved some

1368
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,400
kind of debris or whatever it be

1369
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,960
uh you know i think that people are

1370
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,240
there are other governments that are

1371
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,920
probably kind of like towing the line

1372
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,599
and probably afraid to speak out before

1373
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,720
the u.s

1374
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,559
um because they know how we operate

1375
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,599
basically you know frankly um

1376
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,760
but also you know regarding to the top

1377
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,760
secret clearances you know we have to

1378
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:41,680
also consider people like warner von

1379
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,440
braun um and you know again this is

1380
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,839
people are gonna be highly skeptical and

1381
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,760
that's i i definitely can appreciate

1382
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:51,119
that in this sense but you have people

1383
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,559
like uri geller

1384
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,000
saying that you know

1385
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,800
uh warner ron brown took him and he to

1386
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,920
to see something uh and there were

1387
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,240
pictures of them together and you know

1388
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,480
erie is kind of um

1389
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,400
uh you know mesmerizing and he has all

1390
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,839
these stories but

1391
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,440
uh i think there may be something to

1392
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:10,319
that

1393
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,280
other than just crash retrievals right

1394
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:16,480
we have

1395
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:20,079
potential ufo technology or debris right

1396
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,559
what about entities if we have actual

1397
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,559
alien life forms for lack of a better

1398
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,880
term if we have actual entities i mean

1399
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:31,440
that that's a whole other layer

1400
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,440
um then you know some kind of um

1401
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,480
even like

1402
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,559
alien tech drones yeah

1403
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,319
james you're up with your topic so if

1404
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,079
you want to start your topic off with

1405
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,880
this uh and we're having another guest

1406
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,240
that's going to pop in in three minutes

1407
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,480
but go ahead and uh and start off with

1408
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,400
this one

1409
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,839
whatever you want to yeah i'll start

1410
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,880
your timer

1411
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,599
sure i'll just uh i can i'll just go on

1412
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:57,760
from where i was going so yeah so

1413
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:01,119
crash crash retrieval materials um

1414
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,920
that

1415
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,359
you know there's been

1416
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:06,240
some talk about uh you know fully intact

1417
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,280
craft

1418
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,599
obviously that's that's a hard pill to

1419
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:12,160
swallow uh you know obviously we can't

1420
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,680
take anything with a grain of salt it

1421
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,680
could be disinformation

1422
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,079
as with bob lazar story could all

1423
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,640
purposely have been put there for

1424
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,640
disinformation against soviets or

1425
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,920
anybody else

1426
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:26,800
to make them think number one that we

1427
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,839
have fully in craft uh

1428
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,480
intact crafts number one number two it

1429
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:34,960
could be how you have bob lazar coming

1430
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,839
out here talking about element 115 which

1431
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,920
the soviets are like we will never get

1432
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,760
this they they have a little brick of it

1433
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,920
we can never get it therefore we can't

1434
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,400
develop the technology so there also

1435
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:49,200
is also kind of like a play um you know

1436
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,400
not to disinform the us population so to

1437
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:54,839
speak but to you know as a

1438
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,920
counterintelligence active measure to

1439
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,920
protect potential development of

1440
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,559
technology um so you have

1441
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,400
like several there's several different

1442
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,319
layers of of national security

1443
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,119
implications to crash retrievals um and

1444
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,839
again maybe say for the united states

1445
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,920
government i'm in the u.s it's in our

1446
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:15,920
best interest that those measures have

1447
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,510
all right that sounds good before we

1448
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,280
continue go ahead

1449
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,040
no i was going to say that

1450
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,319
let's get the responses then we'll bring

1451
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,720
on our additional guests so let's go to

1452
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,559
dan and then we'll okay unless you want

1453
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:32,160
to because we got a good flow here so i

1454
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,520
want to okay i want to get dan's

1455
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,800
thoughts on it

1456
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,839
all right andy's thoughts andy would be

1457
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,520
next oh okay um i again it's sort of

1458
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,319
carrying on james the crash retrieval uh

1459
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,960
stuff and i get as well what what dj is

1460
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,720
saying but i suppose take it from a

1461
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,240
point of view someone who's not inside

1462
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,599
the us and

1463
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,599
can look at a point of view that

1464
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,680
you want it to be as secure as you think

1465
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,760
it is and it's a nice thought that you

1466
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,280
know because you went through what you

1467
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,680
went through that it would be so

1468
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,359
so difficult for someone else to get in

1469
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,680
there but who whoever made the point

1470
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,400
just before about verna von braun okay

1471
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,000
so there was a bunch of nazis that you

1472
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,480
gave security clearances to you know so

1473
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,720
let's i suppose that kind of stops that

1474
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,000
argument dead that it's hard to get

1475
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,440
security clearance unless you're born in

1476
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,440
the u.s because they literally gave them

1477
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,480
to the people that they brought them

1478
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,079
over i mean

1479
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,799
so so yeah and again there's also that

1480
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,960
you don't know like again the bubblers

1481
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,200
are stuff like he's managed to get this

1482
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,280
element and it sounds like from the bob

1483
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,440
lazar story correct me please anyone if

1484
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:32,720
i'm wrong but he's managed to get

1485
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,119
something so super secret out of the lab

1486
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,440
how again if this is the place you know

1487
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,559
if this is the place on earth dj how has

1488
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,240
a scientist like bob lazar managed to

1489
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,839
sneak something out and then hide it

1490
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,680
this whole time from from all those

1491
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,520
people who apparently are looking after

1492
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,559
it so i i can see that yeah people could

1493
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,799
get in there i don't see any good reason

1494
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,319
why they wouldn't have moved it again

1495
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,000
since the 40s because i'm sure they've

1496
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,079
got bigger and better places and money

1497
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,400
talks at all levels as well

1498
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,760
so for me yeah i'm

1499
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:07,040
i don't see any reason why this stuff

1500
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,319
couldn't be all over the country with

1501
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,400
various different organizations as well

1502
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,839
um

1503
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,920
and like lew said before i do think

1504
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,839
they've got a field craft but of what i

1505
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,880
don't know

1506
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,079
it doesn't necessarily mean they've got

1507
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:20,640
something alien right yeah all right

1508
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,990
so i'm not a big believer that we have a

1509
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,760
full craft for the sheer fact that we're

1510
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,520
staring at a bunch of bismuth and

1511
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,400
magnesium layers and drooling over them

1512
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,000
so it's hard for me to believe we got a

1513
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,799
whole craft if that's where our focus is

1514
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,880
and i also don't think we would see

1515
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,680
the craft or a

1516
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,319
recognizable part of a vehicle of any

1517
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,480
sort i think we would see evidence of

1518
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,200
the technology that was gleaned from

1519
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:52,960
studying it and that's where philip

1520
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,400
corso comes in with his claims that they

1521
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,559
back engineered some aspects of the

1522
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,839
technology

1523
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,880
that were found in the 47 crash

1524
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,520
and but but i also have a lot of doubts

1525
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,200
about that because there's there's

1526
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,680
usually a backlog a history associated

1527
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,520
with each of those technologies that

1528
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,760
comes out that can be

1529
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,640
traced back so to me there there that

1530
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,240
would be the evidence that would be the

1531
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:20,480
proof where we took a gigantic

1532
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,980
tesla-like leap

1533
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,440
[Music]

1534
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,319
forward in our technology in in our

1535
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,280
society that would be without a doubt

1536
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,040
that came from somewhere else we don't

1537
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,960
know how we didn't know about it until

1538
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,520
it was here we had a cell phone drop in

1539
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,720
victorian times so to me without that

1540
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,960
the evidence of the technology being

1541
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,319
trickled in

1542
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,559
that is without a shadow of a doubt not

1543
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,880
backed by his historical research and

1544
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,000
development

1545
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,640
human effort i'm i got a hard time

1546
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:52,240
believing we figured any of it out we

1547
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,280
might have

1548
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,640
recovered some but we haven't figured

1549
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,799
any of it out

1550
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,240
dj

1551
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,680
um you i am not a luis elizondo i'm not

1552
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,480
a chris mellon i'm not uh one of these

1553
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:06,000
guys that's been at the highest levels

1554
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,119
of government

1555
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,960
the only reason that you want to have me

1556
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,359
on your show if at all if ever is

1557
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,240
because i know aviation and i know how

1558
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,760
the government works

1559
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,599
i have been both a contractor to the

1560
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,280
government and now i work for the

1561
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:21,680
government as an employee like lou did

1562
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,960
so i know how how the government thinks

1563
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,319
how it acts

1564
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,119
what it is likely to do likely notices

1565
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,520
the word likely in given situations and

1566
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:33,920
that's how i come to this hypothesis by

1567
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,799
working on the inside and the outside on

1568
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,520
both and i know how they what we trust

1569
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,920
contractors with and when contractors

1570
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,599
are asked to leave the room because i

1571
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,680
was that contractor that might have to

1572
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,520
leave the room

1573
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,119
even though i represented the government

1574
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,640
believe it or not as a contractor but

1575
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,599
anyway

1576
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,839
all that said that's how i come to the

1577
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,839
conclusion about the safe places that

1578
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,599
you would keep this material and you

1579
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,400
could bring any number of scientists in

1580
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,880
werner one of werner von braun was

1581
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,559
brought in for a very specific purpose

1582
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,559
because he had a specific knowledge but

1583
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,400
you don't just go and bring any citizen

1584
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,520
in and go oh we're going to give this

1585
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,680
person a clearance unless they have an

1586
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,000
extremely special skill set that we want

1587
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,160
to leverage against the technology we're

1588
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,640
trying to acquire then we might issue

1589
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:20,720
them a clearance and by the way they're

1590
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,079
watched very very very closely

1591
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,920
luis

1592
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,680
um

1593
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:29,839
okay so

1594
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,799
the first thing i'd say to the crash

1595
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,559
retrievals is like

1596
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,520
how many crash retrievals are there like

1597
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,319
and and why are they crashing so much

1598
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,280
like

1599
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:43,520
if

1600
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,359
can

1601
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:48,799
traverse

1602
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,839
time and space and and makes vast

1603
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,760
distances possible

1604
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,079
maybe in a blink of an eye

1605
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,400
why did they crash so much

1606
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,520
um that would be i i can understand one

1607
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:02,640
two

1608
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,920
maybe three

1609
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,000
you know but like anything past that's

1610
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:08,319
like okay then this is just dangerous

1611
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,359
like this technology it could reveal a

1612
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,079
whole multitude of things to species

1613
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:16,079
that we may not want to interact with on

1614
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,440
that kind of level

1615
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,280
um so if they're crashing here on earth

1616
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,599
my question is like why so many times

1617
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,240
but i will ask you real quick uh dj just

1618
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,720
to back up kind of what andy's saying

1619
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,440
there are spies right

1620
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:31,520
yes but now okay so our issue to

1621
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,480
clearance okay but

1622
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:35,359
then

1623
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:39,520
couldn't get into a clearance on some

1624
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,230
or maybe they appear to be um and i

1625
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,400
think there's sophisticated ways to sort

1626
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,319
of circumvent those things because if

1627
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,720
there wasn't we wouldn't have this issue

1628
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,599
there wouldn't be this this uh uh

1629
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:57,920
movement against spies that also

1630
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,359
um i just real quick i wanted to say uh

1631
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,760
hacking as well like there's there's

1632
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,720
spies in a digital sense so

1633
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:08,400
to say that nobody knows what's going on

1634
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,319
in area 51 i think is a little naive

1635
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,440
i i have no i i agree with you about

1636
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,520
there are spies i'm just saying you're

1637
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:19,599
asking for my opinion and i'm i'm giving

1638
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,160
it to you based on my experience gary

1639
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,040
mcgowan hacked gary mckinnon hacked nasa

1640
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,440
right right yeah yeah yeah i mean this

1641
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,040
is james's time right

1642
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:30,720
this is james right well he introduced

1643
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,309
we got to bring our special guest yeah

1644
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,079
well let me respond on this for all the

1645
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,480
last minute here that's cool that's cool

1646
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,400
so i i to back up your point i think

1647
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:44,559
that the security apparatus is in place

1648
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,599
right so

1649
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,359
you you leverage what you've already got

1650
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,920
in place where you can that being said

1651
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,960
sometimes good security is sort of going

1652
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,960
the other direction so you could have a

1653
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,799
facility that doesn't look look secure

1654
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,880
but it in fact really is secure could it

1655
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,400
could appear to be

1656
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,400
uh you know totally open but there may

1657
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,319
be sub levels to it or whatnot that are

1658
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,039
actually very very tightly controlled uh

1659
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,960
the private contractor access you know

1660
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,760
is to me very you know curious because

1661
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,240
private contractors come and go uh and

1662
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,520
if you're a private employee and a

1663
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,440
private citizen you know you come and go

1664
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,960
you change careers and even if you sign

1665
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:20,400
an nda you're gonna you know at some

1666
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,839
point you may jump ship to a different

1667
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,079
competitor uh what if that competitor

1668
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,480
isn't right into uh the program so to

1669
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:28,000
speak so then do you just totally

1670
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,599
compartmentalize that knowledge and not

1671
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,960
let it influence the work that you do

1672
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,319
for your for the competitor that you now

1673
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,559
work for there are a lot of variables to

1674
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,319
this that it seems like the complexity

1675
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,960
of it is such that uh if if we really

1676
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,200
did have some of this stuff i i guess

1677
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,359
i'm saying we probably would know about

1678
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,960
it right now

1679
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,640
and nathan you have more time because i

1680
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,400
talked over so no that's cool i'm good

1681
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:50,240
with that so why don't we bring on uh

1682
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,599
why don't we bring on

1683
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,839
our backstage person so i'll let you

1684
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,119
maybe take this off screen and i'll let

1685
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,599
you introduce

1686
01:03:03,430 --> 01:02:59,920
our new guest who's on mute

1687
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,440
i'm unmuting you hashtag come online

1688
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:05,039
all right hi welcome

1689
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,160
hello

1690
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,720
all right this is our sp oh we can't see

1691
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,119
you i know i don't know why

1692
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,960
we cannot see you see if you can uh

1693
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,160
re-engage

1694
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,359
uh-oh there we go we got an avatar

1695
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,480
no

1696
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,319
yep we can hear you we just can't see

1697
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,430
all right

1698
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,039
it's okay we can hear you

1699
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,799
yeah if you want to go out and come back

1700
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,799
in i think luis usually troubleshoots

1701
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:32,000
luis please take over the

1702
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,520
troubleshooting yeah

1703
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,079
uh yeah i mean check what camera input

1704
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,400
your your camera's on and if it's on the

1705
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,480
right one then yeah i would say try back

1706
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,480
out and come back in let's call melinda

1707
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,839
leslie real quick and see what she would

1708
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,319
recommend hey while she's doing that i

1709
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,960
want to follow up on lou hey lou the

1710
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,359
aircraft carriers travel the vast

1711
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,760
distances of the ocean but it's usually

1712
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,760
the jets and aircrafts that do the

1713
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,119
crashing once they get to their

1714
01:04:05,589 --> 01:03:58,960
destination could that be what we're

1715
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:07,670
again it's just like would you send

1716
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:11,200
probes on a planet that is hostile that

1717
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,559
you know are

1718
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,280
incredibly fragile to maybe technologies

1719
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,760
that they display

1720
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:19,359
you know like would a gen would a

1721
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:22,640
general of an aircraft carrier do that

1722
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,440
right

1723
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,240
yeah and if you go to american cosmic um

1724
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:28,559
you know james and tyler

1725
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,319
uh talk about the gifting field right

1726
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,400
and let let's let let's get to our very

1727
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,640
special guest tell us where you're where

1728
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,280
you're calling from right now ashley

1729
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,680
at the moment i am in west yorkshire

1730
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,359
england

1731
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:46,160
can i get an amen divine daisy girl

1732
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:47,280
ashley

1733
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,799
[Music]

1734
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,400
so happy to have you join us she's going

1735
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,480
to be on our all-women's round table

1736
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,319
where all these faces right here are

1737
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,240
going to be replaced by women except for

1738
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,039
nate myself and nathan's beard but go

1739
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,799
ahead ashley you have a question that

1740
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,559
you wanted to put out there for the

1741
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,799
group either one or another or everybody

1742
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,200
can take it up if they wish

1743
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,799
it's been a very nuts and bolts

1744
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,039
conversation i'll say that whereas

1745
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:15,119
i'm more the other side bit more of the

1746
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,160
woo

1747
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,640
and i was just wondering

1748
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,960
haven't done the research on the ufos

1749
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,480
and everything

1750
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,720
where are you all in terms of physical

1751
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:26,160
and non-physical

1752
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,520
um being

1753
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:32,000
i know james you've done c5 so you have

1754
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,839
a bit of knowledge on the

1755
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:36,480
consciousness

1756
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:38,480
yeah james why don't you take that all

1757
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,870
you know

1758
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,440
physical non-physical uh i don't think

1759
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:47,680
it's an either or thing uh if you want

1760
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:48,440
to say

1761
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,920
non-physical um i i don't think it's non

1762
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,160
it's there's kind of like non-physical

1763
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:55,680
in the sense of

1764
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,559
um there's no physics behind it i think

1765
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,039
you know again ultraviolet rays and

1766
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,599
things like that uh technically we as

1767
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,599
humans cannot perceive that but we have

1768
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:07,839
apparatus that can that can that can

1769
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,880
sense and track and monitor so i think

1770
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,440
that um say if we're going to talk about

1771
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:15,520
consciousness and if we're going to talk

1772
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:19,280
about um even esp telepathy

1773
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:22,400
um and these different objects that seem

1774
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,119
like

1775
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,839
energy beings or or

1776
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,480
have uh you know just they display

1777
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,680
things that

1778
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,079
seem um you know where they disappear

1779
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,319
and reappear i think eventually we are

1780
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:36,000
going to understand the physics of all

1781
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,599
that and i think that

1782
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,520
all i think everything is going to fit

1783
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,039
into the realm of physics whether you

1784
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,480
consider it as hyper spatial like um

1785
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,880
hyperspatial technologies that are able

1786
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,680
to interface with dimensions uh and and

1787
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:51,280
therefore consciousness

1788
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:52,160
um

1789
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,960
so

1790
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,880
again i don't see it as an either or

1791
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,039
question i don't think any of it is per

1792
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,559
se magic i think all of it will come

1793
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,400
within the the realm of understanding of

1794
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,720
physics eventually even if it takes

1795
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,440
thousands of years uh and i i think that

1796
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,319
atip you know was looking at their their

1797
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,559
consciousness component through things

1798
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,400
like psychotronics and we know that that

1799
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,160
deals with frequencies

1800
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,720
um so my time's up uh

1801
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:20,559
i guess anybody else want to take it or

1802
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,599
do yeah who else would like to yeah

1803
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,680
anybody jumping on that louise

1804
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,319
well i mean i don't know i've been

1805
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,760
diving into this i'm still doing

1806
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,680
research and still learning about a lot

1807
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,920
of things especially on the non-physical

1808
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:35,280
end of things

1809
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:36,720
because when you think i mean at least

1810
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,760
from my experience it was a very

1811
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,119
even though it was

1812
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,880
incredible it still seemed like there

1813
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,000
was hands behind the craft i was looking

1814
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,720
at it seemed like a very nuts and bolt

1815
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,359
um and but you know i've never seen

1816
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:54,160
metal glow on anything else like it was

1817
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,440
just different

1818
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:56,400
um

1819
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,520
but

1820
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,240
this idea i love this idea of um you

1821
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,119
know everything is vibrating

1822
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,839
at different tones and speeds and you

1823
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,839
know like this table is vibrating at a

1824
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:09,200
different frequency than what i'm

1825
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,880
vibrating at and i'm sure there are a

1826
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,280
lot of things that are vibrating that we

1827
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:15,200
just can't see

1828
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,159
um

1829
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,440
either because we don't have the proper

1830
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,000
instruments to see them or or the proper

1831
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:21,920
mindset

1832
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,799
um

1833
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,880
and i don't know

1834
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:26,560
you know what it's gonna take to sort of

1835
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:29,759
break that paradigm to where we can see

1836
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,560
these things and and the unexplainable

1837
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,920
eventually starts to become the

1838
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,759
understandable

1839
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:37,199
um

1840
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:38,799
but yeah i mean i yield my time to

1841
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,520
anybody else you'd like to add on that

1842
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,960
well what if we get to the point where

1843
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,359
we develop ai that can

1844
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,239
synthesize some of these uh occurrences

1845
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,839
that are happening all around us all the

1846
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,719
time

1847
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,960
and can translate those things into

1848
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,279
things that we can understand so what if

1849
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,120
you know our our senses are limited but

1850
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,839
what if we can develop sensors that can

1851
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,960
absorb

1852
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,400
this uh

1853
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,719
you know these occurrences and then

1854
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,400
translate them into things that we can

1855
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,920
just like you would take a night vision

1856
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,759
goggle and enhance the the visual

1857
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,600
spectrum that you can see or take an

1858
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,040
infrared camera and enhance the spectrum

1859
01:09:16,389 --> 01:09:14,960
that you can see you know what if we can

1860
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,399
do that

1861
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,319
[Music]

1862
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:20,319
i mean i don't know if we'd want to do

1863
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:21,440
that

1864
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:29,590
i mean you know i the more the more we

1865
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,480
talk about this the more it seems like i

1866
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,000
you know it's almost like what a tom

1867
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,000
delonge sometimes says and a louis

1868
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,080
lozando hints at is that you'd be somber

1869
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:39,600
if you really knew what the hell was

1870
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,480
going on like i think this is a lot

1871
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,640
a lot more

1872
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:47,279
complicated and just

1873
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,719
weird unpredictable and nothing that

1874
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,799
we've ever put on the table as far as an

1875
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,800
explanation right but what's interesting

1876
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,560
is we're doing this already right so

1877
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,320
we're already kind of cybernetic in a

1878
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,400
way the phones we all use the technology

1879
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,960
using right now is taking advantage of

1880
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,800
stuff that you and i cannot do on our

1881
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,360
own just with our own our bodies so

1882
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,920
we're we're we're taking these baby

1883
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,600
steps towards right

1884
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,280
but that's the thing right they're baby

1885
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,159
steps it's not a flick of the switch all

1886
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,159
of a sudden you can see this thing

1887
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,239
that's sitting right next to you and

1888
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,960
it's crazy well exactly you know

1889
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,120
and and you don't have the filters to

1890
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,199
understand it you know isn't this kind

1891
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,360
of taking a million years to get to that

1892
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,040
filter

1893
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,800
yeah please go ahead no louise you make

1894
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,400
a really good point most people can't

1895
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,239
but you know experiencers would say

1896
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,080
otherwise and that's where like i've

1897
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,320
never had that experience i've i've had

1898
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,880
a couple of sightings but for people who

1899
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,640
say that they see beings literally come

1900
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:46,080
through walls or

1901
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,600
i know people that say they've seen like

1902
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,440
ghosts at the end of their bed

1903
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,120
and people that can have that sort of

1904
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,320
maybe those individuals have that switch

1905
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,880
or that filter that and some claim to be

1906
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,480
able to use it i don't know so much

1907
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,640
about that but that that potentially

1908
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,239
you're right as like most of us if you

1909
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,719
want to call it humanity can't do that

1910
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,640
and maybe you've just got that small

1911
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,880
number of people who who do and that's

1912
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,400
that's that's where that maybe comes in

1913
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,560
potentially but

1914
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,159
you're right about the switch aspect of

1915
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,000
it that were we seem a long long way

1916
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,000
away that we still need to take to our

1917
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,159
lives to to do a lot of the stuff we

1918
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,000
want to do that mean louise if we want

1919
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,120
to have a conversation we have to do it

1920
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,600
via phone or over this as opposed to is

1921
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,360
it a way we could do it like

1922
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,600
telepathically or you know i could

1923
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,159
teleport and be there who knows where

1924
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,560
humanity goes in the future right i mean

1925
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,920
dan that was something i was going to

1926
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,280
bring up before but you asked where's

1927
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,800
the evidence of the tech from crash

1928
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,600
retrievals 1952 we started using fiber

1929
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,600
optic cables in 1958 the computer chip

1930
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,040
was invented so there's two of them

1931
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,440
straight off the bat so for me that goes

1932
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,520
with luis's baby steps yeah we don't

1933
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,280
have a full intact craft that we can fly

1934
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,360
about ourselves but what we got off the

1935
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:54,960
back of it was computer chips and fiber

1936
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,640
optic cables to to name two things um so

1937
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:01,440
and the the reason you know at least the

1938
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,280
crash widely crashed that's something

1939
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,040
i've thought about a lot and it's very

1940
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,040
human just to think that just because it

1941
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,360
can travel a great distance or or change

1942
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:11,920
dimensions realities makes it infallible

1943
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,080
and i still don't see any reason why

1944
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,840
why couldn't they crash the odd time

1945
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,120
because you're right they shouldn't be

1946
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,360
doing it that often but if you if just

1947
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,280
give me two more seconds dj sorry yes

1948
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,360
sir i would think if you go back to

1949
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,040
when people first started sailing across

1950
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,960
the oceans and you could show someone a

1951
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,560
sailboat and no doubt they crashed all

1952
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:30,000
the time there was shipwrecks they blew

1953
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,440
over in the wind they fought each other

1954
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,600
they fell apart and if you showed

1955
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,239
someone now the aircraft we have and the

1956
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,719
tesla cars we have they would be like

1957
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,640
wow these things must be incredible the

1958
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,800
things they can do yeah they still crash

1959
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,640
hundreds of thousands of times a day

1960
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,719
aircraft still go missing jet engines

1961
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,520
still blow up geese fly into stuff

1962
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:51,440
and they would be like surely not it was

1963
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,199
just so hard for them to understand that

1964
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,360
they would still be so imperfect and i

1965
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:57,520
just wonder is it human to think that

1966
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,239
another race or species or race of

1967
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,320
beings wouldn't have that same

1968
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,320
problem if we want to call it that as a

1969
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,480
as a potential theory well the first

1970
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:08,719
thing that pops in my brain is a native

1971
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:11,679
american on the beaches of the eastern

1972
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,040
seaboard getting a log from a shipwreck

1973
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,080
and going oh no we have a problem you

1974
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:19,679
know like

1975
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,640
like how do you how do you take a log

1976
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,640
back to the tribe and go look at this

1977
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,440
this is unusual this shouldn't be here

1978
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:28,960
uh i think something's coming and

1979
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,630
yeah i was going to get dan in i had

1980
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,239
something i actually forgot what it was

1981
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,400
then but so go ahead dan please yeah

1982
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,400
i'll say i guess it depends on if you're

1983
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,480
a fan of star wars or star trek because

1984
01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:46,080
everything works in star trek nothing

1985
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,200
works in star wars

1986
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,800
[Laughter]

1987
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,880
so but back to the consciousness

1988
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,280
connection i am an engineer nuts and

1989
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,040
bolts are my thing that's what brought

1990
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,800
me into this topic that's what i like to

1991
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,040
obsess about but listening to grant

1992
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:03,440
cameron talk has kind of opened up my

1993
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,679
aperture and made me start to consider

1994
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,840
some additional things and with lou

1995
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,320
elizondo talking about a link between

1996
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,080
quantum

1997
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,040
physics and consciousness is another

1998
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:17,600
layer all together so when i when i when

1999
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,480
i talk andy when i think about computers

2000
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,239
the most important part of a computer is

2001
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:24,480
the smallest part the microchip when i

2002
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,719
think about our physical being the most

2003
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,560
important part of our physical being is

2004
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,199
our dna the smaller you go the more

2005
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,159
important the building blocks are to the

2006
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,679
final product

2007
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,000
so so i feel like we're on the cusp of

2008
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:39,760
starting to drill down

2009
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,719
into

2010
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,120
the quantum realm which is going to

2011
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,400
allow us to

2012
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,159
manipulate things in a way that are

2013
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,640
going to seem like magic to us now

2014
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,400
but after we figure it out maybe it

2015
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,400
won't feel that way maybe it will allow

2016
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,560
us to modulate time

2017
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,000
forward and backwards slightly which

2018
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,320
would allow us to vanish into thin air

2019
01:15:02,709 --> 01:14:59,920
it from the perception of someone that

2020
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,719
can't do that so that's that's my and

2021
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,960
potentially the only way to actually

2022
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:07,840
interact with the source code quantum

2023
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,560
is

2024
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:10,400
maybe it's consciousness maybe that's

2025
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,199
how

2026
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:13,360
we interface with the quantum levels of

2027
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:16,560
our world and our reality

2028
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,120
okay guys uh i just want to i wanted to

2029
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,360
we got an outro ashley i just want to

2030
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,159
ask people to uh uh follow and

2031
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,120
communicate with the divine uh is it at

2032
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,960
divine daisy girl

2033
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:29,840
yeah

2034
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,159
okay say say yours give us your uh give

2035
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:36,080
us your social media ashley we want to

2036
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:36,960
hear you

2037
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,199
it's at divine daisy girl it's literally

2038
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,440
just random it's my dog's name and i

2039
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:43,679
just wanted a random name

2040
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,920
that's what it is she's divine and he's

2041
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,679
called daisy

2042
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,440
well thank you thank you so much we're

2043
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,800
gonna we're gonna let you go and we're

2044
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,640
gonna let andy go but before we let andy

2045
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,880
go i just want to say to you um you're

2046
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:56,640
really part of our initiative to not

2047
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,159
only bring uh female voices uh to this

2048
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,320
uh but also to bring people who aren't

2049
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,480
known who aren't content creators don't

2050
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,800
have a podcast or youtube but have

2051
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,400
interesting thoughts and questions and i

2052
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,480
think you demonstrated that here tonight

2053
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,480
thank you so much for joining us and

2054
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:14,000
bringing a great question to the group

2055
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,440
namaste

2056
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:17,040
thank you

2057
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:20,800
thank great to have you with us as well

2058
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:23,920
yeah andy uh the uh also you know i want

2059
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:26,800
to say on on air here congratulations to

2060
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,120
ucr luis michael rather andy dan for

2061
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,520
being on kgra we really appreciate your

2062
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,000
time andy we had a good uh we had a good

2063
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,880
one today and uh we'll continue and um

2064
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,120
it really is an honor to be able to uh

2065
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,120
talk with you as much as i do

2066
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:45,280
no thank you i could have gone hours and

2067
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:47,840
and just a little i think kgre are also

2068
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,000
lucky to have louise's show and and my

2069
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,480
show as well so uh yeah but not to be

2070
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,320
big headed but you know it's the

2071
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,840
community's made them what they are and

2072
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,280
those guys did a really great job over

2073
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,760
there as well so uh all the crew knows a

2074
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,520
lot of what goes into them so so yeah

2075
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,960
but i know it's good to be on those and

2076
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,640
listen it's it's great to be honest as

2077
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,320
well with you guys and seeing nathan

2078
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:08,080
kind of taking off and doing this thing

2079
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,440
from some of the listener collins to

2080
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:11,280
this is brilliant as well so i wish i

2081
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,719
could actually done longer and at least

2082
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:14,719
i enjoyed the chats as well on the crash

2083
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,640
retrieval stuff in the team i could have

2084
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,760
done that for hours we'll need to do it

2085
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,760
one night on the when i've got more time

2086
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,320
let's do it anytime i hope you enjoy you

2087
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,320
guys enjoyed the format and we'll we'll

2088
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,520
do it again

2089
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,199
yeah cheers folks enjoy the rest of the

2090
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:30,480
show later yeah see ya bye ashley

2091
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,159
alright thanks for having me thank you

2092
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,600
okay um so i think the only person left

2093
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,840
to give a topic is nathan i think it's

2094
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,159
me yeah that's me yes sir please all

2095
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:44,719
righty here we go uh start the timer on

2096
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,410
myself here

2097
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,600
[Laughter]

2098
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:50,560
i'm the timer control guy all right

2099
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,440
so

2100
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,960
uh i could go on this either way with

2101
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,400
this but the phenomenon doesn't care

2102
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,800
about human affairs its interest in our

2103
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:59,040
nukes is not of our out of concern for

2104
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,080
us but rather for itself if it has

2105
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,320
influenced the world's religions as tom

2106
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,719
de long has stated it has not done so

2107
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,719
purposefully but rather it has simply

2108
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:11,199
let us do the work ourselves because

2109
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:14,320
humans are meaning making biological

2110
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,440
machines

2111
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,360
we use the lang the technology of

2112
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,760
language to tell simple stories in order

2113
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,239
to make sense of a complex world our

2114
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:24,320
best storytellers end up becoming

2115
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,719
priests and politicians and throughout

2116
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,199
history we have grappled with phenomenal

2117
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,840
experiences and crafted entire world

2118
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,560
views in an attempt to control them

2119
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,199
as such if the phenomenon reveals itself

2120
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:39,760
to humanity on a mass scale we should

2121
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,040
all be very wary because for so long it

2122
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:45,440
has purposefully been evasive

2123
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,679
if it comes out on the world stage it is

2124
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:50,719
doing so on its own terms therefore we

2125
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:53,920
must decide how it can be trusted if we

2126
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,080
are not careful we will run the risk of

2127
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,480
locking ourselves up in a prison of our

2128
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:00,880
own design and if we are lucky the

2129
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,280
phenomenon will not be a singular

2130
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:04,719
intelligence

2131
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:07,040
any additional intelligent party will

2132
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:09,679
allow humanity to better judge what is

2133
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,440
really going on

2134
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,239
regardless we must accept that we are

2135
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,640
operating at an asymmetrical

2136
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:19,280
disadvantage and i hope i'm wrong

2137
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,920
how can we trust the phenomenon

2138
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:26,000
wow i just want to say before anybody

2139
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,199
talks that

2140
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,960
you guys if you wonder why nathan's my

2141
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:30,159
co-host because he has brilliant

2142
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,360
thoughts like that please go ahead dan

2143
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,000
i don't know if i will personally ever

2144
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,880
be able to 100 trust them um i think it

2145
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:40,400
would end up being

2146
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,199
um

2147
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,560
what does the

2148
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,040
mass of the population lean towards

2149
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,280
we're more or less uh

2150
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,199
we live in a democracy we call it that

2151
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:51,360
still it's mob rule it seems like more

2152
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,719
and more every day

2153
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,640
uh but that's going to be kind of where

2154
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:57,199
the wind blows when it comes to trusting

2155
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,239
this thing or not there's going to be

2156
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,719
people that are all on board and there's

2157
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,400
going to be people that never are going

2158
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,640
to give it a chance so we're going to

2159
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,960
see just like every other aspect of

2160
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,560
humanity there's always going to be a

2161
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,400
spectrum of responses

2162
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:13,440
um do i think that we're ever going to

2163
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,480
across the board trust it no i don't see

2164
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,520
that happening at all and i want to i

2165
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,520
want to yield my time to exo academy

2166
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:23,679
damien because he is the guy

2167
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,800
yeah

2168
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,400
i just listened to his podcast about

2169
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,320
this very thing so it's like he's the

2170
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,080
guy of all of us that should be talking

2171
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:32,400
about this the most yeah but other than

2172
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:36,000
that i i personally um

2173
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,199
until

2174
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:38,639
i feel like what you guys have said

2175
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:41,600
before um until you have your experience

2176
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:44,400
and it touches you and you become a

2177
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:45,920
instead of a believer you become a

2178
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,480
knower then you're just speculating on

2179
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,719
what your response is going to be so i

2180
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,080
can say all day that i'm not going to

2181
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,560
trust them but if i have a chris bledsoe

2182
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:56,639
type experience experience there's going

2183
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,920
to be a big chance that i'm going to be

2184
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,080
like look she's been here since the

2185
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,320
egyptian times and everything's gone

2186
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,719
great let's see let's just let's give

2187
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,280
her a chance so it's gonna vary from

2188
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:10,080
just like everything else in life

2189
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,600
nice

2190
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,960
uh dj

2191
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,040
yes sir uh i just want to say the one

2192
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,800
thing that i wanted to bring out and i

2193
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,480
just wasn't able to get in there that's

2194
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:20,560
interesting is the people who have had

2195
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:22,880
the two most prodigious most interesting

2196
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,440
experience was luis and andy and it's

2197
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,600
ironic they have these two giant shows

2198
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,080
in our community and both of them have

2199
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:32,880
had an experience that's very up close

2200
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,480
very personal and was not just a five

2201
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:39,040
second or two second thing like i had so

2202
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:40,639
i find that very interesting luis i

2203
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,600
don't know if you've ever thought about

2204
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,280
that but you and andy

2205
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,159
um yeah that's a good point anyway uh i

2206
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,000
i have to agree with what you said i

2207
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,400
find that just like if this if if the

2208
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,120
way we should approach ufos is is uh we

2209
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,920
could use the life as a metaphor that's

2210
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,440
being somewhere in the middle being

2211
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,760
somewhere in that gray uh we're

2212
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,679
accepting we're open to what might

2213
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,199
happen and what we might be able to

2214
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,360
glean from them but as dan said i'm not

2215
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,000
gonna necessarily fully trust them i

2216
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:10,320
think uh that can put you in a dangerous

2217
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:13,120
situation uh and so i think that's where

2218
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,800
i would i would line up is i would be

2219
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,199
somewhere in the middle on that and and

2220
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,239
i would say that okay uh i'm open to

2221
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,719
communication and see uh what you what

2222
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,480
can you prove to us we're intelligent

2223
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,880
beings as well we can ascertain whether

2224
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,199
or not we're being taken advantage of in

2225
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,960
some way and then at the same time we

2226
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,520
also need to uh restrict what we give

2227
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,760
them access to

2228
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,600
got it james

2229
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,840
yeah i actually i did a video on this on

2230
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,520
my on the engaging the phenomenon

2231
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,920
channel called um the phenomenon is

2232
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,040
accountable

2233
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,040
and uh what i mean by that is that the

2234
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,159
phenomenon is accountable in in a sense

2235
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,440
for our perception of it and you know

2236
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:56,000
because it's obviously advanced

2237
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,040
um

2238
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,040
you know it

2239
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,120
we we shouldn't be putting ourselves in

2240
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,239
a situation where we even need to trust

2241
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,560
the phenomenon we i mean

2242
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:07,920
we just shouldn't put ourselves in that

2243
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,960
position

2244
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:09,840
um

2245
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,120
there's no reason to and again if if

2246
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,000
the phenomenon you know let's you know

2247
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:18,560
whether singular or plural you know if

2248
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,520
we're talking about different

2249
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,080
intelligences and phenomena you know we

2250
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,760
have to consider

2251
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,320
um you know do they have different kind

2252
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,560
of agendas so to speak

2253
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:30,880
and um

2254
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,440
i think that

2255
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,840
uh you know our relationship with that

2256
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,320
has to be um you know built on

2257
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,239
communication and experience and that's

2258
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:42,320
something that's gonna take time

2259
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,600
um

2260
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,550
you know i'm open to the idea of contact

2261
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,760
that's why

2262
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:51,199
i um

2263
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,709
oh we lost james we'll get him back his

2264
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,560
time when he comes back there he goes

2265
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,639
james go ahead please continue

2266
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,920
i was gonna say even though i've i've

2267
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:06,000
had personally positive experiences i

2268
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,600
can't you know

2269
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,000
i can't assume that it means that uh you

2270
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:11,760
know the phenomenon is

2271
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,120
um you know overtly uh positive towards

2272
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,000
humanity altogether

2273
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:19,600
yeah

2274
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,280
and again we shouldn't try to just come

2275
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,000
to conclusions based on such limited

2276
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,080
information and experience that we have

2277
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,560
all together yeah we can't presume to

2278
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:32,159
know right right

2279
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,760
louise

2280
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:35,040
um

2281
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:36,400
well i could

2282
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:39,840
it seems like whatever the phenomena is

2283
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:42,480
it has a huge ego

2284
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,920
huge ego and that kind of worries me you

2285
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,080
know it's like this idea that it it

2286
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,239
doesn't care

2287
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:51,760
what you think

2288
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:54,560
my biggest fear is that

2289
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,440
it's

2290
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,480
just a reflection of us it is

2291
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,800
there's just as many opinions there are

2292
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,040
just many hard heads there's just as

2293
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,600
many uh staunch believers there's just

2294
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,280
as much chaos

2295
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,199
and conflict that would be my biggest

2296
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,440
fear and that we're sort of being

2297
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,760
engaged by all of these things and there

2298
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:16,000
is no order there is no permission there

2299
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:17,120
is no

2300
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:21,840
you get a choice and i think that's

2301
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,360
terrifying yeah that's terrifying um

2302
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,600
it's even worse than

2303
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,440
you know this idea we're fishing an

2304
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,000
ocean and when we get caught and thrown

2305
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,080
back like do we go back and talk to the

2306
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,560
other fish about it like it's even worse

2307
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:38,080
than that it's like you don't get a

2308
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,760
choice you're in the net and it's going

2309
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:41,440
to skin you and

2310
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,800
mess with you and

2311
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,080
throw you back

2312
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:49,590
i don't again like i don't know if we

2313
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,480
want to know i think it's almost like

2314
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:54,639
you know do you want to take the red

2315
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:56,239
pill or the blue pill

2316
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,600
and the in

2317
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,199
order you just you know just eat your

2318
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,520
steak and drink your wine and

2319
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:04,080
and love your family and just

2320
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,080
just stick to that you know that would

2321
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,600
be my biggest fear right i think we all

2322
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:11,440
do want to know because that's why we've

2323
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,600
engaged with the phenomenon to use

2324
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,760
james's moniker

2325
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,760
so we all want to know we want to know

2326
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:19,120
otherwise the people that don't want to

2327
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,800
know are eating steak they're having

2328
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,239
barbecues and like who cares there's a

2329
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:24,560
bunch of wackos talking about ufos and

2330
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,120
we're and we are those wackos yeah but

2331
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,080
we're not wackos no because because as

2332
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,239
as lou said it's not a question of

2333
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:34,159
whether or not they're here we now have

2334
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,360
to figure out why they're here what

2335
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,360
they're doing what they want but that

2336
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:39,280
we're wait his he said we're way past

2337
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,639
that

2338
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,639
or even like when mitchucaku says it's

2339
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,800
on it's now on the government to

2340
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:46,719
disprove they're real

2341
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,629
because we could just like do it like

2342
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:54,400
the howard stern show play it like i

2343
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,270
anyway all right closing statements

2344
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,880
everybody

2345
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,199
uh let's see dan

2346
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,679
uh do a one minute closing statement

2347
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:09,360
uh i don't know what to talk about

2348
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:11,120
except thanks for having me on it's good

2349
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,560
to see all these faces again nice to

2350
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:14,080
meet you for the first time james and

2351
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,600
andy i know you had to cut out early but

2352
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,080
nice to meet you in person uh i've

2353
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,080
enjoyed listening to everybody's content

2354
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,679
that they've been producing so it's it's

2355
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:24,960
been a fun ride over the last

2356
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,679
well let's call it 2017 and on

2357
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,280
let's hope for another

2358
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,159
continuing wild ride going forward and

2359
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,760
just make sure that we

2360
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:36,320
all remain humble when people approach

2361
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,760
us that are not

2362
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:40,080
knowledgeable as we are on this topic

2363
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,920
that we don't just dismiss them outright

2364
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,239
because they are not on level with us

2365
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,400
we need to be the teachers moving

2366
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:49,040
forward the educators moving forward as

2367
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,400
best we can

2368
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,280
and i hope that we all understand that

2369
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,360
this is kind of the uh the downer side

2370
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,040
of this conversation

2371
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,960
this is a temporary thing for us i feel

2372
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,480
like there are going to be people to

2373
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,400
pick the torch up that are better that

2374
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,920
are better looking than us let's face it

2375
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:05,199
guys

2376
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,639
as well as better

2377
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,639
video content creators more thorough

2378
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,639
researchers when the general public

2379
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,639
catches on to this so this is a moment

2380
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,880
in time that we're sharing together as a

2381
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,239
community

2382
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,400
that will never be repeated again so i

2383
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,000
appreciate i'm glad to be able to share

2384
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,320
with you guys and the rest of the ufo

2385
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,239
twitter community and everybody out

2386
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,320
there uh so just thank you for having me

2387
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,040
on

2388
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,040
james

2389
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,719
yeah again renault really uh thanks for

2390
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,400
having us on thanks for putting together

2391
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,639
this panel thanks for you know helping

2392
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:38,480
continue the discussion

2393
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,360
um now i'd like to say you know although

2394
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,199
i guess you could say humanity is being

2395
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,480
presented with this um you know question

2396
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,159
um yeah

2397
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:50,560
i'm optimistic but i i like to look at

2398
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:51,280
it

2399
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:59,360
uh so i i think that

2400
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:00,560
you know this

2401
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:01,600
problem

2402
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,639
um

2403
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:04,320
can can be a

2404
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,360
a great

2405
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:07,360
you know obstacle for humanity to

2406
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,040
overcome together hopefully uh and i i

2407
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,600
think it you know presents uh a

2408
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,000
tremendous paradigm shift

2409
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,719
um you know to quote christina gomez

2410
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,400
from shifting the paradigm

2411
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,880
uh you know in in so many different ways

2412
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,719
and so many different facets and in ways

2413
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,719
that we can't even um

2414
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,120
technically perceive currently

2415
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:31,520
and it's almost like the the next phase

2416
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,000
of humanity so you know i like to

2417
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,239
acknowledge and honor and appreciate

2418
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,639
you know everybody who's um in a sense

2419
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,239
put their neck out there

2420
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:42,080
uh talking about the subject and

2421
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,440
researching and and and sharing um you

2422
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:47,360
know what they think to be valid true

2423
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,639
information

2424
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,719
and uh you know carrying the torch so

2425
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,400
thank you everybody

2426
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:54,080
thank you james

2427
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:54,800
louise

2428
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,669
i just

2429
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,520
thank you for having me

2430
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,520
it was fun

2431
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,280
it was it was a real blast man i mean

2432
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,760
yeah those guys said it best um i've

2433
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:09,600
gotten really nothing past that to

2434
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,320
articulate other than thank you um thank

2435
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:14,560
you yeah it was a lot of fun

2436
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,600
nice

2437
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:17,199
yeah i mean this is a an important

2438
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,719
conversation and i'm glad that we're

2439
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:20,400
having it and we need to do more of it

2440
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,840
right we

2441
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,520
kind of tend to look at this format i

2442
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:25,760
think in through the lens of sort of

2443
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,960
marketing or entertainment but in truth

2444
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:30,639
and particularly in the day in today's

2445
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:33,440
day uh this is a format that allows us

2446
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:35,600
to connect and connection is where we're

2447
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:37,040
going to solve this problem

2448
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,719
uh you know community is where we're

2449
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:41,040
going to solve this problem um i was

2450
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,800
listening today to

2451
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:44,320
the

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01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:47,600
was really interesting i'd highly

2453
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,280
recommend it if you like that podcast

2454
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,880
check out that episode but one thing

2455
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,800
that came to mind listening to that

2456
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:55,360
amazing artist is that art is really

2457
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:57,360
this kind of it's an it's an it's an

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01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,400
alchemy you know art is taking uh the

2459
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:02,719
things that we know about our world and

2460
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,120
it's refashioning them in ways that are

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01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,159
very personal that uh lead to you know

2462
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,400
sort of beliefs and ideas and change the

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01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,320
trajectory of our civilization and

2464
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:14,000
that's kind of what we are

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01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:15,840
doing with the with the crumbs that we

2466
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,880
have from the phenomenon um and you know

2467
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,800
is that is that guided or not i don't

2468
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:22,400
know and maybe that's not the point the

2469
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:24,000
point is that we still have to figure

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01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:26,000
out how we're going to do this

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01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:27,040
together

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01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:29,360
and i think we need to not lose sight of

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01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:31,040
that as we interact with each other

2474
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:33,120
either on forums like this or on ufo

2475
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,719
twitter but so grateful to have all of

2476
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,480
you guys on and let's keep keep doing

2477
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:41,510
uh yeah so that now you guys can clearly

2478
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,470
right i mean he's just so he's just so

2479
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:50,560
smart i love it he's everything i'm not

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01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:51,760
um

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01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:52,960
so

2482
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,560
um but uh no i mean uh you guys know i i

2483
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:58,719
have a very small contribution to make

2484
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,199
in the community i don't have a lot of

2485
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,360
areas where i can offer something other

2486
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:05,760
than to just have a forum for discussion

2487
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,480
whether that's here or on twitter spaces

2488
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,000
um my

2489
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,320
my area of expertise is like that as

2490
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,760
i've told nathan it's like that

2491
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,080
cheesecake and the healthy person at the

2492
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,400
party goes up and takes the smallest

2493
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,400
sliver and puts it on their plate and

2494
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,239
you're like oh wow that's like a quarter

2495
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:24,560
of an inch thick that's kind of like my

2496
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:27,120
what i can contribute uh as with any

2497
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:28,960
degree of expertise at all the rest of

2498
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,960
it i'm just listening i'm learning from

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01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,400
people who are

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01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:34,400
intelligent in in these many other

2501
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:37,440
facets of the phenomenon and uh it is

2502
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,360
wonderful to be able to connect with all

2503
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,760
of you on different mediums that that we

2504
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,600
communicate on and i communicate with

2505
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:45,920
you on different mediums but uh the fact

2506
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:47,920
that i'm able to do that so i can get

2507
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,400
ideas throw out some ideas have them

2508
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:52,400
thrown back at me have me rethink those

2509
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,360
ideas and get a greater understanding of

2510
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,199
what we're dealing with and only as

2511
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,360
nathan said together is how we're going

2512
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,199
to all figure this out nobody's going to

2513
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:03,040
be the singular poll that's going to

2514
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,560
figure that out

2515
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,800
i also wanted to just ask you quickly

2516
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:08,560
before i say goodbye what did you think

2517
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,950
it was cool

2518
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:14,719
that was kind of funny i mean i wish i

2519
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,080
could make it a little smaller like a

2520
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,960
tiny time tinier timer um the way share

2521
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,480
content works it kind of prevented me

2522
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:22,320
from doing that but i thought it was

2523
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:24,159
kind of nice kept a little little snappy

2524
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,880
you know yeah i think we tend to hone in

2525
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,800
on one particular topic and it seems

2526
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,320
like it was crash retrievals this time

2527
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,400
so it it almost seems like it should be

2528
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:34,560
a little instead of random a little bit

2529
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:37,120
more focused just yeah just to get

2530
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,800
everybody prepared because

2531
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:40,239
i think we all have a lot to say about

2532
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:42,239
this but that's a great point i like the

2533
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:47,360
short concise responses format mm-hmm

2534
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:49,760
we're taking crash retrieval for action

2535
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:52,080
for crash retrieval week in response to

2536
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,639
your request uh and obviously that was

2537
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:56,320
the hot button topic but it wasn't the

2538
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,239
only topic but what did you think of the

2539
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:00,159
timed format

2540
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,920
um it was it was good um i i do better

2541
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:05,840
off a timed thing like that just

2542
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:07,040
personally

2543
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,560
uh but that's just

2544
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,480
my my own nature i'm kind of just

2545
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:12,239
sporadic so

2546
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,000
uh any any conditions like that

2547
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:16,560
personally for me are restricting to to

2548
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:19,360
how i interact personally that's just my

2549
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:20,560
own

2550
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,320
you've been invited on for you could

2551
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,000
have an hour and a half of just staying

2552
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:26,480
james diane doley we put that out to you

2553
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,070
and he can talk for the entire hour and

2554
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:42,639
a half but what what this was born from

2555
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,040
is i think luis saw when when andy was

2556
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:47,280
on with danny sheehan he talked for like

2557
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:48,960
uh most of their time so i was like oh

2558
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:50,880
let's make a timer so that way nobody

2559
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:52,080
can do that

2560
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,400
yeah filibuster well not the same thing

2561
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,159
happened to me with the stephen bassett

2562
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,600
on the first big phone home right

2563
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,600
he just wrecked me yeah which is cool

2564
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,520
you know he has better things to say

2565
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,480
um

2566
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:07,199
but uh everybody's i'm just saying i i

2567
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:09,199
like it personally like as a viewer i

2568
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:10,080
like it

2569
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:15,440
but for me the way i operate i'm like

2570
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:16,480
i i

2571
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:18,719
i'm i'm like i'm going to be more like

2572
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,920
off the cuff

2573
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,679
so like

2574
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,280
that's i mean again that's just me i'm

2575
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:25,679
like in a quantum realm over here yeah

2576
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:27,679
well you're you're such a i mean when

2577
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:29,679
you're when you're spreading uh the

2578
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:31,520
thoughts of the research in the in the

2579
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,800
stuff that you've read and the people

2580
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,639
that you've worked with it's a

2581
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:37,600
it's a much bigger plane than a cessna

2582
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,600
you know this is like a c-130 trying to

2583
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,280
land and you need to give them the room

2584
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,440
to to tell the story and give you the

2585
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:46,000
context whereas this is more you know

2586
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,320
just like make your point

2587
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,080
you got a counterpoint you got something

2588
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,639
to add cool it's quick it's movie it's

2589
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,800
it's just different uh but

2590
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,639
uh james you got to come on the show

2591
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:58,560
this week so we could we could pump up

2592
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:01,840
uh uh crash retreat crash retrieval week

2593
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:04,239
yes oh yeah and yeah i was just thinking

2594
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:06,400
like uh yeah we definitely gotta do one

2595
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:08,000
with andy man

2596
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:08,800
he

2597
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,199
and i know

2598
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:17,520
i said melinda leslie is down for crash

2599
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,800
retrieval week

2600
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:20,719
i was trying to get i was trying to get

2601
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:23,840
into contact with don smith

2602
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,320
who is huge on the roswell case although

2603
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:28,880
there's obviously some controversy there

2604
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:32,719
uh richard dolan is in ross coltert is

2605
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:33,679
in

2606
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,040
mergia um

2607
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,679
and i know uh oh sean rauch uh witness

2608
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:42,800
citizen

2609
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:45,520
uh vinnie adams at disclosure team

2610
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:48,480
um and i believe uh priscilla quantum

2611
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:50,800
witch and artemis prime i think they're

2612
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,760
all into uh so there's a lot oh man

2613
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:55,360
there's there's so much you know that

2614
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,920
can go on within that realm a fun week

2615
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,440
yeah

2616
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:02,000
i uh like i said uh our invitations

2617
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,719
after uh nathan and i have said it uh on

2618
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:06,320
text we'll say it right here live we

2619
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:08,239
would love to have you on for an hour

2620
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,239
and a half to just all of you

2621
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:12,480
well yeah all of you yeah i mean dan's

2622
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,400
been invited on a number of times luis

2623
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,719
has been on twice dan's been on once or

2624
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,000
twice twice

2625
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,560
and uh twice and and james we would love

2626
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,880
to have you on um and that's that's an

2627
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:24,400
open invitation but i just want to make

2628
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:26,719
sure you know you're invited yeah sure

2629
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:28,159
i'd like to have all you guys on my

2630
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:29,199
channel too

2631
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,880
uh you know

2632
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:32,960
and uh especially dan i this is the

2633
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,480
first time i'm speaking to dan i really

2634
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:35,760
love how he

2635
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:38,080
presents and articulates information

2636
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:39,920
like he says in a way where i'm like

2637
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,719
that's solid so i really appreciate that

2638
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:44,960
that's the intention clear concise to

2639
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:48,080
the point and easy to absorb that's

2640
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,360
that's my goal

2641
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:51,679
inside baseball dan was riding in the

2642
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,000
car with me uh we were coming we went to

2643
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:56,000
the air base uh we went looked around

2644
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,440
the air base we went shopping a little

2645
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,280
bit we went and had lunch and he said

2646
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,360
man i don't know if i should be in there

2647
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,040
with these heavyweights like james ian

2648
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:05,920
doley and and andy and i said you 100

2649
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:08,480
percent belong in in this conversation

2650
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,199
with anybody in the ufo community period

2651
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:14,639
yeah absolutely appreciate it guys

2652
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:16,239
this conversation doesn't belong to

2653
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,159
anybody

2654
01:38:23,109 --> 01:38:20,000
unless you're unless you're dr steven

2655
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:24,390
let me own it

2656
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,119
all right guys yeah all right uh but on

2657
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:29,920
behalf of my co-host nathan i'm dj san

2658
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,480
marco for uh calling all beings saying

2659
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:34,560
peace out one love and we'll see you

2660
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:35,760
down the road